Procter off ICC Match-Referee panel?

[social]

So, the fact that a murderer may have got away means there's no point punishing someone who's been caught red-handed shoplifting?

No, sorry, that's ridiculous. Just because you can't punish all the worst crimes doesn't mean less significant crimes which can be dealt with should just be ignored.

You do realise that sledging has been a part/blight of the game for more than 25% of its existence dont you?

Seems to me that the only time that there is cause for complaint is when it gets out of hand and that, as we saw from Harby's trial, is impossible to adjudicate on the field

The only way that you'll be able to control it is by either penalising everybody that opens their mouth on the field or by recording every sound made by every player at every minute of every game

Sounds like a fun game to play NOT

 

[Richard]

You do realise that sledging has been a part/blight of the game for more than 25% of its existence dont you?

And?

Seems to me that the only time that there is cause for complaint is when it gets out of hand and that, as we saw from Harby's trial, is impossible to adjudicate on the field

The only way that you'll be able to control it is by either penalising everybody that opens their mouth on the field or by recording every sound made by every player at every minute of every game

You can't completely control what players say, obviously - no-one can stop the under-the-breath muttering or the thoughts inside the head. However, you can penalise what's available to you to penalise. That's all anyone's asking of anyone.

Sounds like a fun game to play NOT

Far more fun to me than the current anyone-can-say-any-old-thing climate.

 

[silentstriker]

You do realise that sledging has been a part/blight of the game for more than 25% of its existence dont you?

Bad umpiring has been part of the game for 100% of its existance, that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Seems to me that the only time that there is cause for complaint is when it gets out of hand and that, as we saw from Harby's trial, is impossible to adjudicate on the field

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Even basketball and baseball, which are supposed to be non-contact sports, have their share of brawls every season.

And yet here we are complaining about the fact that some cricketers use abusive language towards each other every now and again and *shock, horror* have even escaped punishment for doing so

This is a problem, not a good thing. In the NFL, players generally avoid saying stuff about people's family (a great friend of mine was an athletic trainer for the vikings and eagles for years), and don't get too crass besides the usual macho stuff. Why? They'll get their knees blown apart. In cricket, they sledge with reckless abandon because everyone knows that no one will start a fight. If there was a threat of a stump flying to the slips and a chance that the batsman will lodge it up your nether regions, perhaps people would be a bit more civil.

Right now, there is no downside, and without the threat of punishment (whether in cricketing terms or other terms), people say whatever the hell they want. That's the problem. Either ban all sledging, or allow fights like in hockey. Otherwise, a bunch of cowards can keep calling each other names like twelve year olds, and we can continue to play cricket in this type of weather.

The only way that you'll be able to control it is by either penalising everybody that opens their mouth on the field or by recording every sound made by every player at every minute of every game

What's wrong with that? Turn them up. We'll separate the idiots from the rest soon enough. Maybe they'll have the decency to shut their mouths after they become the subject of public ridicule, or more importantly, they lose a few sponsorships.

 

[Richard]

Unfortunately, however loud you put the stump-mics, you're never going to record every word.

I agree fully that the Match-Referee should have a mini deck on his control desk which allows him to turn the mics (and the several other things I think he should have at his disposal) up as loud as he wants, mind.

Unfortunately, if the players are saying inappropriate stuff, the TV companies get as much blame if not more. So they can't afford to allow players' public words to be broadcast to too great a degree, otherwise they're big losers as well.

 

[social]

Bad umpiring has been part of the game for 100% of its existance, that doesn't mean it's a good thing.



This is a problem, not a good thing. In the NFL, players generally avoid saying stuff about people's family (a great friend of mine was an athletic trainer for the vikings and eagles for years), and don't get too crass besides the usual macho stuff. Why? They'll get their knees blown apart. In cricket, they sledge with reckless abandon because everyone knows that no one will start a fight. If there was a threat of a stump flying to the slips and a chance that the batsman will lodge it up your nether regions, perhaps people would be a bit more civil.

Right now, there is no downside, and without the threat of punishment (whether in cricketing terms or other terms), people say whatever the hell they want. That's the problem. Either ban all sledging, or allow fights like in hockey. Otherwise, a bunch of cowards can keep calling each other names like twelve year olds, and we can continue to play cricket in this type of weather.



What's wrong with that? Turn them up. We'll separate the idiots from the rest soon enough. Maybe they'll have the decency to shut their mouths after they become the subject of public ridicule, or more importantly, they lose a few sponsorships.

Q. How is your wife and my kids?

A. Wife's great but kids are ********


Q Why are you so fat?

A. Because every time I sleep with your wife she gives me a biscuit


Q. What does Lara's dick taste like?

A. Ask your wife

All 3 are exchanges that occurred on a test cricket field

All involve family members

2 of the 3 are staples at cricketing functions the world over and have brought laughs from thousands of people

And yet you would want them all to be treated the same

A touch overboard dont you think

BTW, you shouldnt really bring up the NFL when discussing behaviour unless it's in reference to being as bad as it gets

 

[Precambrian]

The reality is that swearing, obscene gestures etc are so commonplace in society today that laws have been passed specifically excluding them from censorship in MANY countries

To pretend that sportsmen should somehow have to operate under a higher standard than ordinary society dictates tells me that either you still havent moved out of Wonderland or that you're talking your usual crap

So suppose when you play with your kids, (in future, or present I dont know), a game of backyard cricket, and you miss a chance, and your kid yells at you, "You Mother****er", You shouldn't be having a problem right?

There's no need to descend to the level of accusing anyone of talking "bull****". Most people on this forum are capable of a higher standard of debate than that.

The fact that legal representation is not compulsory doesn't mean it's not wise to engage legal representation. I'm not saying the tour manager was to blame for his lack of ability to act as advocate a disciplinary hearing. The fact is that he's not a lawyer and as you say is not expected to be proficient in matters of law. And indeed he wasn't proficient, and the result I think reflected that. It seems pretty obvious to me that they should have hired a lawyer for the hearing (believe it or not there are lawyers for hire in Sydney, and at short notice - there's no need to have one as part of your tour party), given the importance of the issue at stake.

Sorry. Momentary lapse.

 

[Richard]

Q. How is your wife and my kids?

A. Wife's great but kids are ********


Q Why are you so fat?

A. Because every time I sleep with your wife she gives me a biscuit


Q. What does Lara's dick taste like?

A. Ask your wife

All 3 are exchanges that occurred on a test cricket field

All involve family members

2 of the 3 are staples at cricketing functions the world over and have brought laughs from thousands of people

And yet you would want them all to be treated the same

A touch overboard dont you think

Nope. Getting rid of them costs nothing (you want a laugh? Go have it in the pub afterwards) and has potential gains.

 

[social]

So suppose when you play with your kids, (in future, or present I dont know), a game of backyard cricket, and you miss a chance, and your kid yells at you, "You Mother****er", You shouldn't be having a problem right?

We're not discussing parenting or repect for one's elders

The reference was made to open-age competition, i.e. consenting adults

That being the case, if I were playing a competitive game today and every time I made a mistake someone called me an abusive name, I would be neither surprised nor offended.

 

[Precambrian]

We're not discussing parenting or repect for one's elders

The reference was made to open-age competition, i.e. consenting adults

That being the case, if I were playing a competitive game today and every time I made a mistake someone called me an abusive name, I would be neither surprised nor offended.

Oh yeah, so what is a competitive game? Games evolved as pasttime and is a reflection of the society. It is not a completely compartmentalised thing, where you can use sailor language and get away with, okay? If you think so, then you belong to a miniscule minority.

Imagine Stuart Broad, who was perhaps in his nappies when say Tendulkar started his career, calling him abusive word. Would that look good? Where is the consent given by Tendulkar in that regard? What does consenting adults mean? The only sports arena, where competitors publicly call each other names and get away with it I have seen is WWE. And that's not even a sport but a garish scripted stunt.

You are being a frog in the well here. open your eyes and travel out of your state. Know that there is more to the world than you just know. And socieities.

 

[Richard]

And try to quote properly while you're at it. Bad quoting begats more bad quoting.

 

[silentstriker]

And yet you would want them all to be treated the same

A touch overboard dont you think

What do you mean treated all the same? Turn the mics up. If they make us laugh, people will love the player. If it's inane, racist, or otherwise simply crass without having the benefit of being funny, the player may lose a few sponsorships and/or fans. Everyone wins. Players can sledge as long as its within reason. Spectators get to hear some funny quips. And no one has to worry about some dumbass ruining the tour atmosphere.

 

[Precambrian]

And try to quote properly while you're at it. Bad quoting begats more bad quoting.

Directed at me? Anyway corrected.

 

[Richard]

No, no, at social. He started the problem, and nor is it the first time. You'd think someone who's been posting for 3 years would learn how to selectively quote by now - and also to fix-up quoting errors when they are made.

 

[Richard]

What do you mean treated all the same? Turn the mics up. If they make us laugh, people will love the player. If it's inane, racist, or otherwise simply crass without having the benefit of being funny, the player may lose a few sponsorships and/or fans. Everyone wins. Players can sledge as long as its within reason. Spectators get to hear some funny quips. And no one has to worry about some dumbass ruining the tour atmosphere.

Plenty of people who'd find "yo mother" quips in bad taste. And as I say, the TV company would get the blame and would lose-out, considerably.

Just get rid IMO.

 

[social]

Oh yeah, so what is a competitive game? Games evolved as pasttime and is a reflection of the society. It is not a completely compartmentalised thing, where you can use sailor language and get away with, okay? If you think so, then you belong to a miniscule minority.

Imagine Stuart Broad, who was perhaps in his nappies when say Tendulkar started his career, calling him abusive word. Would that look good? Where is the consent given by Tendulkar in that regard? What does consenting adults mean? The only sports arena, where competitors publicly call each other names and get away with it I have seen is WWE. And that's not even a sport but a garish scripted stunt.

You are being a frog in the well here. open your eyes and travel out of your state. Know that there is more to the world than you just know. And socieities.

Do you actually know why people dont sledge Tendy?

Conversely, do you kow why they do sledge Harby (a guy with nearly 300 test wickets)?

 

[Precambrian]

Do you actually know why people dont sledge Tendy?

Conversely, do you kow why they do sledge Harby (a guy with nearly 300 test wickets)?

So? Selective swearing? Firstly you say swearing is a part of the game and everyone should abide by it, now you have reduced it to selective swearing?

Don't get me wrong, apart from Australia, nobody in cricket likes being sworn at, and epecially players from te subcontinent. And even some guys in Australia too, as Gilly said in his book. You never set an example to the kids, who are very much a part of the audience of the game, with it.

And just because it is there, doesnt mean that we dont' take active effort to remove it. I believe it;s a disease.

 

[silentstriker]

Do you actually know why people dont sledge Tendy?

Conversely, do you kow why they do sledge Harby (a guy with nearly 300 test wickets)?

I realize some people feed off it, Lara for example. All this is irrelevant though. I don't care who can handle it and who can't. Why does that matter to the issue - e.g, players ruining entire tours by their crap and introducing an unnecessarily hostile atmosphere into the sport?

 

[social]

So? Selective swearing? Firstly you say swearing is a part of the game and everyone should abide by it, now you have reduced it to selective swearing?

Don't get me wrong, apart from Australia, nobody in cricket likes being sworn at, and epecially players from te subcontinent. And even some guys in Australia too, as Gilly said in his book. You never set an example to the kids, who are very much a part of the audience of the game, with it.

And just because it is there, doesnt mean that we dont' take active effort to remove it. I believe it;s a disease.

Just where did I say that everyone swear?

And just where is your evidence that , apart from Australia, nobody in cricket likes being sworn at?

And finally, how do you propose eradicating bad language from the game?

Multi-lingual umps, individually miked up players and a gang of language nazis off field, I suppose

 

[silentstriker]

Multi-lingual umps, individually miked up players and a gang of language nazis off field, I suppose

Umpires don't need to be multi lingual. The area around the pitch being completely miked up is enough. It'll be funny for the first year or two, when players forget the mikes are there, and say stupid crap which comes back to bite them in the ass the next day. Sheepish apologies the next day after people find out how little is rattling around in their brains would be quite awesome.

 

[social]

Umpires don't need to be multi lingual. The area around the pitch being completely miked up is enough. It'll be funny for the first year or two, when players forget the mikes are there, and say stupid crap which comes back to bite them in the ass the next day. Sheepish apologies the next day after people find out how little is rattling around in their brains would be quite awesome.

You seem to forget that turning the microphones way up has already been tried and abandoned before the completion of the test because Gilchrist kept making mention of sponsors not affiliated with the either of the nations involved or the broadcaster

Next idea, please