Players who performed well in limited opportunities for their country...

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

ok do you agree that its easier to bowl consistently well when youre in the side all the time?? not just coming back for one match then getting injured?? not too many players have had outstanding come back matches

Lee played a consistent run of 9 Test matches stretching from late 2002 to late 2003. He took 36 wickets in the time and averaged 33.80. Hardly earth shattering.

 

[benchmark00]

Lee played a consistent run of 9 Test matches stretching from late 2002 to late 2003. He took 36 wickets in the time and averaged 33.80. Hardly earth shattering.

I could say the same about hoggards whole career... when lee played in the ODI's recently (fully fit) he bowled very well i thought....

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Try discrediting my statistics and basis rather than just stating they're wrong and then claiming that I'm not bringing them. Yet you say I'm weak?

 

[mavric41]

I could say the same about hoggards whole career... when lee played in the ODI's recently (fully fit) he bowled very well i thought....

For 4 overs

 

[benchmark00]

Try discrediting my statistics and basis rather than just stating they're wrong and then claiming that I'm not bringing them. Yet you say I'm weak?

when have i said you havent brought forth and statistics?? never.... but your statistics are erroneous in the extent that they show lee after his injury where he hasnt been able to play continual games... i mean can say that in one game bradman made a duck, itd be true but it wouldnt give an indication of his career as a whole

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

when have i said you havent brought forth and statistics?? never.... but your statistics are erroneous in the extent that they show lee after his injury where he hasnt been able to play continual games... i mean can say that in one game bradman made a duck, itd be true but it wouldnt give an indication of his career as a whole

How can you consider Lee before his injury when you're saying he would walk into any Test side in the world? He's a totally different bowler now and that statement in the erroneous part.

 

[badgerhair]

'Ullo again.

Let's ignore these third-rate Australians benchmark00 seems so dreadfully keen on but who don't fulfil the criteria of playing well in their limited oportunities but instead played well in a couple of their many opportunities while being pretty awful in the rest, and dig up some real examples. Jack Russell, for instance, who averaged 56.87 in his 10 Tests, and Cyril Walters, who averaged 52.26 in his 11.

No, that's not a mistake: it's the first Jack Russell, CAG Russell of Essex. Russell was one of those whose opportunities were rather badly restricted by Hobbs and Sutcliffe, and Walters retired early, at the age of 30. (Walters also had a f-c average of 30.75, and there aren't many players with Test averages 70% higher than their f-c averages.)

Cheers,

Mike

 

[benchmark00]

How can you consider Lee before his injury when you're saying he would walk into any Test side in the world? He's a totally different bowler now and that statement in the erroneous part.

He hasnt played a test since his latest injury so there is no evidence that he is a different bowler

 

[benchmark00]

'Ullo again.

Let's ignore these third-rate Australians benchmark00 seems so dreadfully keen on but who don't fulfil the criteria of playing well in their limited oportunities but instead played well in a couple of their many opportunities while being pretty awful in the rest, and dig up some real examples. Jack Russell, for instance, who averaged 56.87 in his 10 Tests, and Cyril Walters, who averaged 52.26 in his 11.

No, that's not a mistake: it's the first Jack Russell, CAG Russell of Essex. Russell was one of those whose opportunities were rather badly restricted by Hobbs and Sutcliffe, and Walters retired early, at the age of 30. (Walters also had a f-c average of 30.75, and there aren't many players with Test averages 70% higher than their f-c averages.)

Cheers,

Mike

Dude you dont even know what my point is so shut up.... my point is and always has been that macgill has performed will in his ODI career which is only 4 games old!!!!!!!! many opportunities??? haha whatever

 

[marc71178]

when have i said you havent brought forth and statistics?? never.... but your statistics are erroneous in the extent that they show lee after his injury where he hasnt been able to play continual games.

In other words they show what the current Lee can do, not what the old Lee could do?

In other words they are for more appropriate than anything 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[benchmark00]

In other words they show what the current Lee can do, not what the old Lee could do?

In other words they are for more appropriate than anything 5 or 6 years ago.

*sigh*

He is the same human being.... as someones career grows longer they develop skills so for all we know he could be a better bowler..... those tests statistics shown were when he HAD the injury... or coming directly back from the injury... when was the last time you saw him bowl in a test match? some time ago so you can not 100% say that he is a worse bowler now, either can i say that he is better... , and in my opinion he is (and always was) better than Hoggard who is a 4th rate fast bowler

 

[Dasa]

^Did he have this injury (or was he coming back from injury) for 30 odd Tests then? That's about the number of Tests he hasn't been anything special - a liability even.

 

[benchmark00]

^Did he have this injury (or was he coming back from injury) for 30 odd Tests then? That's about the number of Tests he hasn't been anything special - a liability even.

so in about 6 tests he's taken about 130 wickets???

 

[Dasa]

so in about 6 tests he's taken about 130 wickets???

How do you get that from my post?????
He can still take wickets without being anything special...

 

[benchmark00]

How do you get that from my post?????
He can still take wickets without being anything special...

haha yeah whatever.... your opinion is not needed on the topic

 

[Dasa]

haha yeah whatever.... your opinion is not needed on the topic

Umm...... OK then.

 

[marc71178]

*sigh*

He is the same human being.... as someones career grows longer they develop skills so for all we know he could be a better bowler....

Even though his S/R and average have ballooned since the injury?

 

[marc71178]

haha yeah whatever.... your opinion is not needed on the topic

Why not?

Because it joins all the others of us that are making you look silly?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

He hasnt played a test since his latest injury so there is no evidence that he is a different bowler

Anyone who saw Lee before his first injury and after can tell you he's a different bowler since. Far less effective. Do you think his latest injury will "fix" him?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

so in about 6 tests he's taken about 130 wickets???