subshakerz
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Who was the greater cricketer?
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Peak Botham vs Peak Sobers
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Brook's side
International Regular
I nearly did a peak Botham (first 50 tests) v peak Imran (last 50 tests) yesterday, until I realised the bare figures weren't as close as I thought they might be.
The trouble with Garry is that he doesn't really ever have a great bowling period?
The trouble with Garry is that he doesn't really ever have a great bowling period?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
This is his bowling peak:
All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
Brook's side
International Regular
Fair enough.
Also though, I'd say it strongly depends on factors such as the make up of the rest of the team.
You're basically talking about a guy batting @65 and offering variety with the ball and maybe 30 runs per wicket, or a guy batting @40 and taking wickets at about 19.
Hard to say.
Also though, I'd say it strongly depends on factors such as the make up of the rest of the team.
You're basically talking about a guy batting @65 and offering variety with the ball and maybe 30 runs per wicket, or a guy batting @40 and taking wickets at about 19.
Hard to say.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Botham did benefit somewhat from WSC weakened sides in his peak
kyear2
International Coach
Was wondering when someone would mention that part.
trundler
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And Sobers cashed in against some pretty weak Indian sides. I'm not sure who faced better opposition, which should be a deciding factor in this comparison as both have amazing stats.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Sobers had some (enormously) great series vs the quartet and Gupte in India no?
kyear2
International Coach
He did
trundler
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I was going off the peak period listed above. We're talking all round peak, not just batting.
HouHsiaoHsien
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Even that had Mankad and Gupte, so wouldn’t call it minnow level.
Coronis
International Coach
lol. Big underrating of peak Botham’s bowling going on here.
Migara
International Coach
Massively underestimating what a beast Sobers was with the bat. In whole history of test cricket we have only seen something similar to it very few times.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
That's an exaggeration. Botham was a wordlclass bowler in his peak and a good bat.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
This I can agree with as Peak Imran had at worst the 2nd best peak ever
Curiously, his figures were better against the full-strength Australia in 1979-80 (187@37.4, 19@19.52) than against the weakened side of 1978-9 (291@29.10, 23@24.65).
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah Botham uptil 82 I would say was really special. If he didn't fail against WI I would have given him the edge in this over Sobers.
Sobers was still at best a fairly mid bowler while being a top drawer bat.