PcB reserves the right to take legal action against teams like australia: Official

[pup11]

All these PCB protestations are for domestic public consumption. To show that "we are sympathetic to the public's feeling that Pakistan is subject to double standards and are not going to take it lying down"

What they actually do, if anything, as follow up on that 'threat', is likely to be just for some public 'grandstanding' and 'posturing'.

AWTA.

 

[sledger]

Feel for the PCB here, but in all likelihood this "legal action" they speak of will not get off the ground, Australia were well within their rights to pull out of this tour, as would any other team be.

 

[Craig]

71 killed in Sri Lanka

So on the basis a team should not tour Sri Lanka then.

 

[Burgey]

Saw this thread and thought of a reciprocal "ACB reserves right to sue PCB over continual selection of Akthar and Asif", but decided I enjoy my time here too much

Everyone knows it's cynical, it's wrong and it shouldn't happen. Sadly it does, coz money talks and bull**** walks.

Same goes for Australia not touring Pakistan.

On a serious note though, have to say I'd currently have reservations touring SL and India, as well as Pakistan. Apparently that will make me some sort of coward to some on here, but I really don't give a rats what others think when it comes to my own safety, I just wouldn't want to go there right now. Probably got a bit to do with being married with young kids - could well feel different if I was younger and single.

 

[pup11]

Outskirts of Pakistan is supposed to have a lot of terrorist training camps and its also speculated that Bin Laden in hiding within the country, and on top of all that USA are infiltrating the borders of Pakistan in hope of catching Bin Laden and other Al-qaeda members, so the situation is really volatile atm in that country (well that's my view as an outsider, from whatever i get to watch on news and through the media, and the ground reality could be different).

Having said that no part of the world is safe anymore, and if the terrorists were to target a cricket team then tbh they don't really have to wait for them to visit Pakistan they could do it anywhere, but nobody wants to knowingly enter a place which is painted to be pretty unsafe and volatile.

So frankly speaking one kind of feels bad for PCB and more importantly the cricket loving public of Pakistan.

 

[Richard]

Sadly it does, coz money talks and bull**** walks.

Money talks, but it don't sing and dance and it don't walk.

Having said that no part of the world is safe anymore

And I don't feel safe any more! Oh what a mess! I wonder who's watching me now. WHO?! The IRS?!









(Sorry But the chance to quote songs from 2 consecutive posts is just too big an opportunity to pass-up)

 

[silentstriker]

Saw this thread and thought of a reciprocal "ACB reserves right to sue PCB over continual selection of Akthar and Asif", but decided I enjoy my time here too much

Everyone knows it's cynical, it's wrong and it shouldn't happen. Sadly it does, coz money talks and bull**** walks.

Same goes for Australia not touring Pakistan.

On a serious note though, have to say I'd currently have reservations touring SL and India, as well as Pakistan. Apparently that will make me some sort of coward to some on here, but I really don't give a rats what others think when it comes to my own safety, I just wouldn't want to go there right now. Probably got a bit to do with being married with young kids - could well feel different if I was younger and single.

As long as you were consistent about it, I think most people would understand. My biggest problem was the hypocrisy, not the decision itself. Cricket is not worth my life, and there are lots of places I wouldn't go either. It was never about the decision (for me), it was about their two faced bull****, which apparently still is going on.

 

[Xuhaib]

As long as you were consistent about it, I think most people would understand. My biggest problem was the hypocrisy, not the decision itself. Cricket is not worth my life, and there are lots of places I wouldn't go either. It was never about the decision (for me), it was about their two faced bull****, which apparently still is going on.

 

[Top_Cat]

As long as you were consistent about it, I think most people would understand. My biggest problem was the hypocrisy, not the decision itself. Cricket is not worth my life, and there are lots of places I wouldn't go either. It was never about the decision (for me), it was about their two faced bull****, which apparently still is going on.

CA has been consistent, though; they've gone with the DFAT advice every time, for better or worse. It would be inconsistent of them to ignore it now and go to Pakistan based on other info.

Might be seen as a cop-out and if DFAT were to say tomorrow "Pakistan is safe, do as you will", there's no guarantee they'd even go then (which would be hypocritical) but in this instance, they've taken the advice of the Australian government department tasked specifically to provide it and are well within their rights to do exactly that. Want to criticise anyone, criticise DFAT and their info.

 

[silentstriker]

They have not. Otherwise, they would not have gone to places in India that carried the same warning as Pakistan.


And they wouldn't have gone to Sri Lanka. They've consistently singled one place out for a decade, doing more damage to cricket than even BCCI does.

 

[WhatisRight]

Outskirts of Pakistan is supposed to have a lot of terrorist training camps and its also speculated that Bin Laden in hiding within the country, and on top of all that USA are infiltrating the borders of Pakistan in hope of catching Bin Laden and other Al-qaeda members, so the situation is really volatile atm in that country (well that's my view as an outsider, from whatever i get to watch on news and through the media, and the ground reality could be different).

it just strikes me hard on how much unaware people are in political issues and ground realities.

 

[WhatisRight]

They have not. Otherwise, they would not have gone to places in India that carried the same warning as Pakistan.


And they wouldn't have gone to Sri Lanka. They've consistently singled one place out for a decade, doing more damage to cricket than even BCCI does.

Very true. i really cant understand the reason. Money cant be because if all they were after is money then they wouldnt really tour places like sri lanka and bangladesh (2 yrs ago).

 

[Fusion]

I have basically accepted the reality that Pakistan cricket is now isolated and has been left to die. Our inept board shares the blame, but so does the ICC in not doing enough to convince Western countries to tour. I understand someone’s reasoning to not tour due to fear of safety (however unfounded), but then to see them tour other places with similar dangers builds incredible amount of resentment in me. I am deeply frustrated and disenchanted with the world of cricket. I no longer look forward to upcoming tours/games etc. The ironic thing is that even with the perception of Cricket being stronger than ever with those record breaking IPL contracts, it is actually dying a slow death. A global game can not succeed while its member countries (Pakistan, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, WI) slowly wither away.

Players' Gain, Pakistan's loss

 

[Beleg]

it just strikes me hard on how much unaware people are in political issues and ground realities.

that whole post blew up my head.

 

[WhatisRight]

that whole post blew up my head.

would you like to elaborate?

 

[zaremba]

I have basically accepted the reality that Pakistan cricket is now isolated and has been left to die. Our inept board shares the blame, but so does the ICC in not doing enough to convince Western countries to tour. I understand someone’s reasoning to not tour due to fear of safety (however unfounded), but then to see them tour other places with similar dangers builds incredible amount of resentment in me. I am deeply frustrated and disenchanted with the world of cricket. I no longer look forward to upcoming tours/games etc. The ironic thing is that even with the perception of Cricket being stronger than ever with those record breaking IPL contracts, it is actually dying a slow death. A global game can not succeed while its member countries (Pakistan, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, WI) slowly wither away.

An excellent and thought-provoking post.

But how, in reality, is a player able to judge what the security situation really is in any foreign country? There is obviously risk in going to any country. How can he carry out an objective assessment of the level of that risk? I have difficulty in seeing how it could be unreasonable for a player to rely on his own government's travel warnings when making the decision whether or not to go.

 

[Fusion]

An excellent and thought-provoking post.

But how, in reality, is a player able to judge what the security situation really is in any foreign country? There is obviously risk in going to any country. How can he carry out an objective assessment of the level of that risk? I have difficulty in seeing how it could be unreasonable for a player to rely on his own government's travel warnings when making the decision whether or not to go.

I would say that whatever method he (or the board) uses to assess that risk should just be consistent and fair. In the case of CT, Pakistan did everything that was asked of it and more. The security assessment that the ICC provided determined it was safe to go. The players association also conducted their own security assessment; one that was a complete sham IMO. The players association’s representative only came to Pakistan for one day and determined it wasn’t safe. But forget all that. Let’s say the player perceives Pakistan to be unsafe even with the security being provided. I fail to see how that same player can look at India or Sri Lanka and deem those countries to be safe to play in. Bombs are going off in all three countries. No player has ever been hurt or targeted in any of the three countries. Then why is Pakistan the only one of the countries being shunned? That’s my grief, simple as that.

 

[zaremba]

I would say that whatever method he (or the board) uses to assess that risk should just be consistent and fair. In the case of CT, Pakistan did everything that was asked of it and more. The security assessment that the ICC provided determined it was safe to go. The players association also conducted their own security assessment; one that was a complete sham IMO. The players association’s representative only came to Pakistan for one day and determined it wasn’t safe. But forget all that. Let’s say the player perceives Pakistan to be unsafe even with the security being provided. I fail to see how that same player can look at India or Sri Lanka and deem those countries to be safe to play in. Bombs are going off in all three countries. No player has ever been hurt or targeted in any of the three countries. Then why is Pakistan the only one of the countries being shunned? That’s my grief, simple as that.

I must admit to having been ignorant about all the details of the security advice etc and had assumed that the players were simply relying on government risk assessments.

A very worrying time for Pakistan cricket.

 

[Burgey]

As long as you were consistent about it, I think most people would understand. My biggest problem was the hypocrisy, not the decision itself. Cricket is not worth my life, and there are lots of places I wouldn't go either. It was never about the decision (for me), it was about their two faced bull****, which apparently still is going on.

Pretty much sums it up, really...

 

[Top_Cat]

They have not. Otherwise, they would not have gone to places in India that carried the same warning as Pakistan.


And they wouldn't have gone to Sri Lanka. They've consistently singled one place out for a decade, doing more damage to cricket than even BCCI does.

Yet they went in 1998 when (arguably) what with several nuclear tests going on, sanctions by the US and India frothing at the mouth, the situation was more volatile than it is now.

Seriously, as I've said before, the SmartTraveller website is just a generalised warning for punters and gives no real indication of the magnitude of the threat. Sudan and Iraq are on equal footing but they're clearly not the same threat level. Couldn't imagine Sutherland hitting http://www.smartraveller.gov.au, reading the Pakistan and Indian summaries and saying "That's it, we're not going." They'd be talking to DFAT direct and DFAT don't just tally bodies and decide who's more of a threat.

From what I remember in dealing with DFAT, when it comes to with threat assessments, the sorts of things they stress in theirs is how quickly the assessment will change and the stability of the government in question, not so much the number, frequency and body counts associated with violent acts. Both of those are considered measures of how well a country can deal with threats or isolated incidents. I'd say that having a democratically-elected government would be in India's favour for the overal assessment whereas Pakistan would have been assessed as being a couple of tipping points away from being in trouble again. As far as CA goes, if DFAT, ONA and ASIS are all saying the same thing, whether they have the best info or not, it'd be hard for CA to ignore and they'd be bollocked for it. That's why I reckon the threat of legal action is largely an empty threat.