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Precambrian
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Terrible. Has forced me to review 'my' perception and assessment of the situation in Pakistan. Am glad that Champions Trophy never took place, and also glad no incidents of note happened during the Asia Cup. BCCI should recheck their tour in 09. If the ambassador of a country is not safe, one cannot really expect 15 players to be pushed. Now that the targets have become high profile.
India has a huge stake in a stable Pakistan, worth making an extra effort in that direction. To the extent that the cricket team represents their country, IMHO the situation would have to be far far more grevious than it is at the moment for India to need to think about this. (No such considerations for almost any other cricketing country).
Cricket has been exemplary in that the South Asian countries stick up for each other rather than sticking it to each other. Even though the specific actions of the 'Asian bloc' are not always for the best of the game itself, this is a good thing and is to be encouraged.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
Expats in Pak ask if it’s time to say goodbyeISLAMABAD, September 21 When the place you go to eat, meet, do business, attend conferences and receptions gets blown up, it’s natural to ask whether it’s time to leave.
The sheer sound of the massive explosion from a suicide truck bomb at the Marriott hotel left foreigners living in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad shaken to their core — and for some of them, it could be a tipping point.
Two Americans, one Vietnamese and the Czech ambassador were among the dead.
Ina Pietchmann, a German woman working for the United Nations, said her heart beat like a rabbit’s when she heard the blast and saw the night sky go red and smoke rise up.
“Our lives have got steadily worse over the past two months. We’re advised not to go to outside restaurants,” she said.
Two months ago there was a security scare after Pakistani police seized two four-wheel-drive vehicles stacked with explosives in the nearby city of Rawalpindi and hunted for another they feared was being sneaked into the capital. “There’s always some stress lying on you,” she said.
Nuthit Phukkanasut, general manager of the Thai Airways office in Islamabad, said he was restricting his movements.
“I don’t go to places where many people go. I only go out to my friends’ houses. I don’t go to the main shopping areas, the high-risk places.”
Many foreigners left Islamabad after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 but later returned as investment poured into the oil, gas and telecoms sectors. It remained a non-family posting for US diplomats, however.
Aside from the Marriott, the Serena, Islamabad’s only other five-star hotel, and the social clubs attached to embassies in the highly protected diplomatic enclave were among the few places deemed safe by security advisers.
Six months ago, a bomb attack in the garden area of an Italian restaurant that was another favorite haunt among expatriates unnerved some, until it was learnt that the target had probably been a table full of agents from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Saturday’s blast was on a wholly different scale, and could mark the final straw for some foreign residents living in spacious houses bedecked in purple bougainvillaea on the quiet, tree-lined lanes of the city.
Steve, a British man in his fifties who has spent much of each working day in the Marriott over the past few years, said he and his wife were discussing whether to tell his Pakistani employer goodbye.They’ve watched the militancy spreading down from North West Frontier province and tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.
“We said we’d give it another 24 hours before deciding, but this is getting too close to home,” said Steve, who did not want to give his full name. “I’ll be speaking to my boss tomorrow.”
Rumana Brown, a Bangladeshi woman, arrived in Islamabad 17 months ago to join her British husband, who had been working in the Oil and gas sector. She recalls the sound of explosions and gunfire during the siege of the Red Mosque in July last year.
More than 100 people were killed when commandos stormed the mosque to crush an armed Islamist group, but the Marriott blast had jangled her nerves more.
ReutersThe sheer sound of the massive explosion from a suicide truck bomb at the Marriott hotel left foreigners living in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad shaken to their core — and for some of them, it could be a tipping point.
Two Americans, one Vietnamese and the Czech ambassador were among the dead.
Ina Pietchmann, a German woman working for the United Nations, said her heart beat like a rabbit’s when she heard the blast and saw the night sky go red and smoke rise up.
“Our lives have got steadily worse over the past two months. We’re advised not to go to outside restaurants,” she said.
Two months ago there was a security scare after Pakistani police seized two four-wheel-drive vehicles stacked with explosives in the nearby city of Rawalpindi and hunted for another they feared was being sneaked into the capital. “There’s always some stress lying on you,” she said.
Nuthit Phukkanasut, general manager of the Thai Airways office in Islamabad, said he was restricting his movements.
“I don’t go to places where many people go. I only go out to my friends’ houses. I don’t go to the main shopping areas, the high-risk places.”
Many foreigners left Islamabad after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 but later returned as investment poured into the oil, gas and telecoms sectors. It remained a non-family posting for US diplomats, however.
Aside from the Marriott, the Serena, Islamabad’s only other five-star hotel, and the social clubs attached to embassies in the highly protected diplomatic enclave were among the few places deemed safe by security advisers.
Six months ago, a bomb attack in the garden area of an Italian restaurant that was another favorite haunt among expatriates unnerved some, until it was learnt that the target had probably been a table full of agents from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Saturday’s blast was on a wholly different scale, and could mark the final straw for some foreign residents living in spacious houses bedecked in purple bougainvillaea on the quiet, tree-lined lanes of the city.
Steve, a British man in his fifties who has spent much of each working day in the Marriott over the past few years, said he and his wife were discussing whether to tell his Pakistani employer goodbye.They’ve watched the militancy spreading down from North West Frontier province and tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.
“We said we’d give it another 24 hours before deciding, but this is getting too close to home,” said Steve, who did not want to give his full name. “I’ll be speaking to my boss tomorrow.”
Rumana Brown, a Bangladeshi woman, arrived in Islamabad 17 months ago to join her British husband, who had been working in the Oil and gas sector. She recalls the sound of explosions and gunfire during the siege of the Red Mosque in July last year.
More than 100 people were killed when commandos stormed the mosque to crush an armed Islamist group, but the Marriott blast had jangled her nerves more.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
‘Blast highlights security inadequacies, urgent need to rethink strategy’
PISLAMABAD, September 21 The deadly suicide truck bomb attack in the heart of the Pakistani capital highlights security inadequacies and the urgent need to rethink strategy to combat surging militant violence, analysts said on Sunday.
“The whole region is in some sort of turmoil. Every day there are casualties in military operations so this should not surprise anybody,” said Masood Sharif, a former director general of the Intelligence Bureau civilian spy agency. “The immediate future doesn’t look good,” he added.
The bombing bore the signs of an attack by al Qaeda or an affiliate, a US intelligence official said. Whoever was responsible, the message was clear.
“It’s a very clear signal to the powers that be that nobody is safe,” said Riffat Hussein, professor of defence studies at Islamabad’s Quaid-e-Azam University.
“The fact it happened in the high security zone, which includes parliament where the president addressed a session a few hours earlier, underscores the ability of these groups to really challenge the authority of the state in the heart of the capital,” he said.
“What appeared to be a well-planned attack happened just after Muslims were breaking their Ramadan fast, when many security men protecting the city centre would have been taking their evening meal. Security was really at a minimum around that time,” Hussein said. “Somebody had obviously taken a good look, what kind do security was in place and they were able to take advantage.”
Defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa said as well as a lapse in security, the bombing highlighted a breakdown in morale in the security system as a whole.
“Police don’t want to be targetted, so they are not filling the gap, and the other forces can’t do the job, so the law and order system is collapsing,” Siddiqa said. “Whatever the threat, it is definitely going to spread because you can’t control it,” she said.
Sharif said stepping up security and military offensives in the northwest would not work. “There are hundreds of thousands of trucks out there. You can put out high alerts 10 times over but you can’t check every single vehicle,” he said.
“You already have 1,50,000 troops deployed. What more can one do? You’ve gone to the limit of trying to control it with the gun. It’s very difficult to believe putting in 50,000 more troops will help,” he said. “The Americans, Afghans and Pakistanis had to work out a solution together. We need to have a look at the complete...canvas and have a look at the policy level,” he said.
“We can’t have an endless war on terror. It’s been going on for seven years and there’s no end in sight ... If you look at any armed conflict, eventually there’s a negotiated settlement.”
Hussein said the Government had to deploy all its resources, including intelligence agencies and security forces, and come up with a coherent response. “You need to examine your strategy which obviously isn’t working ... Just being in a reactive mode and condemning incidents simply will not do,” Hussein said.
“The standard arguement is that nobody can prevent a suicide bomb attack but if you look at how the Israelis have dealt with Palestinian suicide bombers, their track record suggests a different kind of model,” he said.
PISLAMABAD, September 21 The deadly suicide truck bomb attack in the heart of the Pakistani capital highlights security inadequacies and the urgent need to rethink strategy to combat surging militant violence, analysts said on Sunday.
“The whole region is in some sort of turmoil. Every day there are casualties in military operations so this should not surprise anybody,” said Masood Sharif, a former director general of the Intelligence Bureau civilian spy agency. “The immediate future doesn’t look good,” he added.
The bombing bore the signs of an attack by al Qaeda or an affiliate, a US intelligence official said. Whoever was responsible, the message was clear.
“It’s a very clear signal to the powers that be that nobody is safe,” said Riffat Hussein, professor of defence studies at Islamabad’s Quaid-e-Azam University.
“The fact it happened in the high security zone, which includes parliament where the president addressed a session a few hours earlier, underscores the ability of these groups to really challenge the authority of the state in the heart of the capital,” he said.
“What appeared to be a well-planned attack happened just after Muslims were breaking their Ramadan fast, when many security men protecting the city centre would have been taking their evening meal. Security was really at a minimum around that time,” Hussein said. “Somebody had obviously taken a good look, what kind do security was in place and they were able to take advantage.”
Defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa said as well as a lapse in security, the bombing highlighted a breakdown in morale in the security system as a whole.
“Police don’t want to be targetted, so they are not filling the gap, and the other forces can’t do the job, so the law and order system is collapsing,” Siddiqa said. “Whatever the threat, it is definitely going to spread because you can’t control it,” she said.
Sharif said stepping up security and military offensives in the northwest would not work. “There are hundreds of thousands of trucks out there. You can put out high alerts 10 times over but you can’t check every single vehicle,” he said.
“You already have 1,50,000 troops deployed. What more can one do? You’ve gone to the limit of trying to control it with the gun. It’s very difficult to believe putting in 50,000 more troops will help,” he said. “The Americans, Afghans and Pakistanis had to work out a solution together. We need to have a look at the complete...canvas and have a look at the policy level,” he said.
“We can’t have an endless war on terror. It’s been going on for seven years and there’s no end in sight ... If you look at any armed conflict, eventually there’s a negotiated settlement.”
Hussein said the Government had to deploy all its resources, including intelligence agencies and security forces, and come up with a coherent response. “You need to examine your strategy which obviously isn’t working ... Just being in a reactive mode and condemning incidents simply will not do,” Hussein said.
“The standard arguement is that nobody can prevent a suicide bomb attack but if you look at how the Israelis have dealt with Palestinian suicide bombers, their track record suggests a different kind of model,” he said.
Reuters
duffer
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Regardless of what city it's in seeing a major hotel which is usually considered a "safe-haven" for foreigners go up in smoke like this is scary.
Wouldn't blame any major team for not going there again and take back all my criticism of the teams who instigated the decision to pull out.
PCB are joking if they think they have a chance taking legal action against any.
Wouldn't blame any major team for not going there again and take back all my criticism of the teams who instigated the decision to pull out.
PCB are joking if they think they have a chance taking legal action against any.
duffer
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fusion
Global Moderator
After this most recent blast, it would indeed be hard to blame any country who doesn’t want to tour Pakistan. Although I would still maintain the situation would be different for a visiting team in terms of security (the starting security checkpoints for example wouldn’t be right outside the hotel/stadium gates, but rather miles away etc), it is time to accept that Pakistan can’t expect teams to tour while all this mayhem is going on. I still have resentment for the double-standards of some teams in avoiding Pakistan yet touring India/SL with similar problems. Oh well, such is life. Pakistan will have to right itself before expecting anyone to tour, which may be a very long time.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Ha, i really don't get is saga TBH.
Although it is fact that the media does play a strong part in making PAK seem like hell on earth, when in actually it may not be so bad (according to Geoff Lawson, Beleg & Xuhaib). Pakistan can't blame Australia nor any country in the world for not wanting to tour.
I've come across silly statements that "Australia haven't toured PAK in 10 years now, thus are avoiding them & should be penalised for double standards for touring India". Thats wack yo.
Since after AUS toured in 98, the next scheduled toured in 02 was played on neutral turf because it was fairly unanimous world wide PAK wasn't a safe place to tour.
From 03 to late 07, things were seemingly back to normal in PAK & Australia had no scheduled series in PAK except for an A-Team tour around the 05 Ashes. While PAK were in down under in 04.
So basically its just coincidence that the scheduled 2008 tour coincided with PAK have problems again.
Plus of course AUS would tour India, the players have been there so many times this millenium of course they would feel safe & the fact India isn't associated with the kind of violence & terrorism threats that you tend to see on the news from PAK. But thats not to say if it gets ugly they would stay of course.
All said, Australia have done nothing wrong.
Although it is fact that the media does play a strong part in making PAK seem like hell on earth, when in actually it may not be so bad (according to Geoff Lawson, Beleg & Xuhaib). Pakistan can't blame Australia nor any country in the world for not wanting to tour.
I've come across silly statements that "Australia haven't toured PAK in 10 years now, thus are avoiding them & should be penalised for double standards for touring India". Thats wack yo.
Since after AUS toured in 98, the next scheduled toured in 02 was played on neutral turf because it was fairly unanimous world wide PAK wasn't a safe place to tour.
From 03 to late 07, things were seemingly back to normal in PAK & Australia had no scheduled series in PAK except for an A-Team tour around the 05 Ashes. While PAK were in down under in 04.
So basically its just coincidence that the scheduled 2008 tour coincided with PAK have problems again.
Plus of course AUS would tour India, the players have been there so many times this millenium of course they would feel safe & the fact India isn't associated with the kind of violence & terrorism threats that you tend to see on the news from PAK. But thats not to say if it gets ugly they would stay of course.
All said, Australia have done nothing wrong.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
The children of 9/11
By Irfan Husain
Another terrorist group tried and sentenced in Britain; another link with Pakistan as the training centre for terrorists established. This time, the group of eight accused of trying to blow up seven airliners over the Atlantic two years ago was in the spotlight following a lengthy trial. Three were found guilty of assorted terrorism charges, while the jury found insufficient evidence against the other five. The prosecution is now considering whether to request a re-trial.
All the members of the cell were young men of Pakistani origin, and several of them had travelled to Pakistan shortly before being arrested. In the newspapers and TV discussions that followed the trial, their trips to the country of origin were highlighted. On BBC’s flagship news programme, Newsnight, a security expert was asked to comment on the fact that so many terror plots seemed to originate in Pakistan. And when residents of the East London neighbourhood where most of the group came from were interviewed, they spoke of the suspicion they were viewed with after details about the plot became public.
While the defendants insisted that all they wanted to do was to set off an explosion in a public place to draw attention to the “wrongs Muslims were being subjected to”, the fact that several of them had recorded videos threatening death and destruction undercut their defence. Ahmed Ali, the leader of the gang, was shown on the screen fulminating:
“Sheikh Osama warned you many times to leave our lands or you will be destroyed, and now the time has come for you to be destroyed… We will take our revenge and anger [sic], ripping amongst your people and scattering the people and your body parts, and your people’s body parts responsible for these wars and oppression, and decorating the streets.”
Fortunately, their skills as terrorists did not match their intentions. When one of the suspects returned from Pakistan, his baggage was secretly searched at Heathrow, and was found to contain a large number of batteries and plastic liquid containers. This aroused the suspicion of intelligence officials from MI5, and the suspect was followed, and his flat bugged. The expanding surveillance became Britain’s biggest covert operation, as members of the group were followed to an apartment that turned out to be a bomb factory.
Every couple of months, some fresh terrorist plot is uncovered in the UK, and invariably, those involved turn out to be Muslims with links to Pakistan. Understandably, this leads to a high degree of profiling by the security services that antagonises ordinary Muslims who feel they are being unfairly singled out. But under the circumstances, what can the state do to protect its citizens? It must be said that the British government is doing its best under very trying circumstances.
Clearly, Pakistan needs to do much more to crack down on the training camps that are giving the country such a bad name. But instead of halting these activities, it seems our security services are hindering investigations. Rashid Rauf, the Pakistani suspected of being involved in the Atlantic airliner plot, was arrested in Pakistan on a tip-from British intelligence. But while being tried in Rawalpindi, and pending an extradition request from Britain, he mysteriously gave his police guards the slip last December, and remains at large. According to one theory, he is under the protection of one of our intelligence agencies.
The widespread impression in the West is that Pakistan is not doing enough to stamp out extremism on its soil, and has become a magnet for terrorists from around the world. These people, after acquiring the skills necessary to carry out operations, then travel abroad to kill and maim. This view is mirrored in the perception that the Taliban are allowed free rein in the tribal areas, and use this safe haven to stage attacks against Western forces in Afghanistan. As American and NATO casualties multiply, pressure builds up on Western governments to halt these attacks. The recent American ground attack on Pakistani soil might have been the first of its kind, but I doubt if it will be the last.
Unfortunately, most Pakistanis are unwilling to understand the seriousness of the situation. In their strident defence of our sovereignty, they forget that lives are being lost in Afghanistan and in other countries just because we cannot or will not control our own tribal areas and seal the border. Foreigners will only buy the argument about the difficult terrain up to a point. But how can we claim sovereignty without exercising any control over this territory?
By Irfan Husain
Another terrorist group tried and sentenced in Britain; another link with Pakistan as the training centre for terrorists established. This time, the group of eight accused of trying to blow up seven airliners over the Atlantic two years ago was in the spotlight following a lengthy trial. Three were found guilty of assorted terrorism charges, while the jury found insufficient evidence against the other five. The prosecution is now considering whether to request a re-trial.
All the members of the cell were young men of Pakistani origin, and several of them had travelled to Pakistan shortly before being arrested. In the newspapers and TV discussions that followed the trial, their trips to the country of origin were highlighted. On BBC’s flagship news programme, Newsnight, a security expert was asked to comment on the fact that so many terror plots seemed to originate in Pakistan. And when residents of the East London neighbourhood where most of the group came from were interviewed, they spoke of the suspicion they were viewed with after details about the plot became public.
While the defendants insisted that all they wanted to do was to set off an explosion in a public place to draw attention to the “wrongs Muslims were being subjected to”, the fact that several of them had recorded videos threatening death and destruction undercut their defence. Ahmed Ali, the leader of the gang, was shown on the screen fulminating:
“Sheikh Osama warned you many times to leave our lands or you will be destroyed, and now the time has come for you to be destroyed… We will take our revenge and anger [sic], ripping amongst your people and scattering the people and your body parts, and your people’s body parts responsible for these wars and oppression, and decorating the streets.”
Fortunately, their skills as terrorists did not match their intentions. When one of the suspects returned from Pakistan, his baggage was secretly searched at Heathrow, and was found to contain a large number of batteries and plastic liquid containers. This aroused the suspicion of intelligence officials from MI5, and the suspect was followed, and his flat bugged. The expanding surveillance became Britain’s biggest covert operation, as members of the group were followed to an apartment that turned out to be a bomb factory.
Every couple of months, some fresh terrorist plot is uncovered in the UK, and invariably, those involved turn out to be Muslims with links to Pakistan. Understandably, this leads to a high degree of profiling by the security services that antagonises ordinary Muslims who feel they are being unfairly singled out. But under the circumstances, what can the state do to protect its citizens? It must be said that the British government is doing its best under very trying circumstances.
Clearly, Pakistan needs to do much more to crack down on the training camps that are giving the country such a bad name. But instead of halting these activities, it seems our security services are hindering investigations. Rashid Rauf, the Pakistani suspected of being involved in the Atlantic airliner plot, was arrested in Pakistan on a tip-from British intelligence. But while being tried in Rawalpindi, and pending an extradition request from Britain, he mysteriously gave his police guards the slip last December, and remains at large. According to one theory, he is under the protection of one of our intelligence agencies.
The widespread impression in the West is that Pakistan is not doing enough to stamp out extremism on its soil, and has become a magnet for terrorists from around the world. These people, after acquiring the skills necessary to carry out operations, then travel abroad to kill and maim. This view is mirrored in the perception that the Taliban are allowed free rein in the tribal areas, and use this safe haven to stage attacks against Western forces in Afghanistan. As American and NATO casualties multiply, pressure builds up on Western governments to halt these attacks. The recent American ground attack on Pakistani soil might have been the first of its kind, but I doubt if it will be the last.
Unfortunately, most Pakistanis are unwilling to understand the seriousness of the situation. In their strident defence of our sovereignty, they forget that lives are being lost in Afghanistan and in other countries just because we cannot or will not control our own tribal areas and seal the border. Foreigners will only buy the argument about the difficult terrain up to a point. But how can we claim sovereignty without exercising any control over this territory?
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Pakistani military open fire on US forces in North Waziristan to protect it's sovereignty...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7628890.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7628890.stm
godofcricket
State 12th Man
The whole thing about pakistan not doing enough is utter rubbish. the country through the pressure of US has sent an army in its own area to kill these soo called "terrorist" why dont people understand that since the war started in afghanistan, everyday we hear militants being killed, insurgent camps destroyed, every single day u hear from reports that US army has killed atleast 5 millitants in iraq/afghanistan. The war in afghanistan started 7 yrs ago, just multiply each day of these 7 years by the number of militants claimed to be killed everyday, you get approx 10,000 militants that are supposed to be killed in just one of these 2 countries. So going by that logic shouldnt terrorism be in decline? Why cant people understand that the whole policy and the way war of terror has been handled and planned has been a BIG BIG failure. Rather than blaming pakistan they should be rethinking their strategy.
There is a big political manoeuver taking place in pakistan, which means all the attention which was orginally supposed to be in iraq and afghanistan has now shifted to pakistan because US has been a big faillure in these 2 countries (iraq, afghanistan) and elections are also coming up. There is also a very strong invlovement of CIA in pakistan at the moment (wont go too much into that right now).
Pakistan is following bush policies in fighting war on terror, whenever pakistan says yes to him they get $$$$$$$$$$$ and most pakistani politicians being power hungry cant reject that. So if theres someone you want to blame, blame the US and its strategy.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
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ACCORDING to a press release, Gen Ashfaq Kayani has declared the army’s intention to fight any intrusion across our borders at “any cost”, and “against all odds”. This should reassure all Pakistanis who have been paying enormous amounts for the army to do just that.
But I would like to ask Gen Kayani why the army has not demonstrated the same degree of vigilance and sense of duty where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are concerned. After all, militants, extremists, terrorists, drug smugglers and gunrunners have been crossing the Durand Line that notionally divides Pakistan from Afghanistan for years without being challenged or hindered. Had the army been doing its job these last few years, Pakistan’s survival might not have been under threat as it is today.
However, when a squad of American Navy Seal commandos entered Pakistan to engage suspected militants recently, hawks in Pakistan went into paroxysms of patriotism. Don’t get me wrong: I am not arguing that the Americans are justified in attacking targets on Pakistani soil. But I am questioning the selective defence of our sovereignty. If we denounce the American cross-border attacks, should we not ask why the Taliban are allowed free access to our territory to target us and conduct raids into Afghanistan?
source
.Dawn, a leading daily English newspaper of Pakistan
ACCORDING to a press release, Gen Ashfaq Kayani has declared the army’s intention to fight any intrusion across our borders at “any cost”, and “against all odds”. This should reassure all Pakistanis who have been paying enormous amounts for the army to do just that.
But I would like to ask Gen Kayani why the army has not demonstrated the same degree of vigilance and sense of duty where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are concerned. After all, militants, extremists, terrorists, drug smugglers and gunrunners have been crossing the Durand Line that notionally divides Pakistan from Afghanistan for years without being challenged or hindered. Had the army been doing its job these last few years, Pakistan’s survival might not have been under threat as it is today.
However, when a squad of American Navy Seal commandos entered Pakistan to engage suspected militants recently, hawks in Pakistan went into paroxysms of patriotism. Don’t get me wrong: I am not arguing that the Americans are justified in attacking targets on Pakistani soil. But I am questioning the selective defence of our sovereignty. If we denounce the American cross-border attacks, should we not ask why the Taliban are allowed free access to our territory to target us and conduct raids into Afghanistan?
source
.Dawn, a leading daily English newspaper of Pakistan
godofcricket
State 12th Man
A few atricles like these by some pakistani doesnt make any difference. My point was clear. Some of these writers even suggested sending more troops to waziristan. Most of them have now understood where this war is heading with these current policies. It does not matter who writes these things but the point that needs to be understood is the complete failure of the strategy.
R_D
International Debutant
Fact of the matter that Pakistan is the breeding ground of many terrorist, ISI clearly runs many terrorists camps and has been doing so for past 2 decades or so.
Obviously Taliban have more than few sympathizers in Pakistan army and hence why the war in Afghanistan hasn't been going too well. Pakistan army allows teh Taliban to regroup in the tirbal areas. USA has finally realised than Pakistan army's doing jack all.. all the aid given by USA is obviousally being to upgrade the army to get ready for a future war with India.
Seeing as Pakistan don't seem to have much of control over tribal area in the first place... i don't see why they don't let USA try and weed out the taliban from there.
Obviously Taliban have more than few sympathizers in Pakistan army and hence why the war in Afghanistan hasn't been going too well. Pakistan army allows teh Taliban to regroup in the tirbal areas. USA has finally realised than Pakistan army's doing jack all.. all the aid given by USA is obviousally being to upgrade the army to get ready for a future war with India.
Seeing as Pakistan don't seem to have much of control over tribal area in the first place... i don't see why they don't let USA try and weed out the taliban from there.
Xuhaib
International Coach
Karachi, September 23: The Pakistan Cricket Board is willing to play the planned two-match home Test series against West Indies at a neutral venue if the Caribbean side has apprehensions about touring the troubled nation in the wake of Islamabad blasts.
Pakistan has invited West Indies to tour Pakistan for the Tests immediately after the two countries play a three-match one-day series in Abu Dhabi from November 12 to 16.
The West Indies Cricket Board is yet to respond to the invitation and their senior players have expressed reluctance to tour Pakistan in present conditions.
A senior official of the board admitted that after the bomb attack on the Marriott hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan needed to look at its options differently.
"I think we need to now deal with this issue of teams not touring Pakistan because of security concerns more maturely. We must also look at other options in given conditions," Shafqat Naghmi, chief operating officer of the Board said.
"Cricket needs to go on in Pakistan and we can't go without international cricket for long. We have told the West Indies that we are now willing to consider playing the two Tests in Abu Dhabi.
"The series is already a loss for us but it will at least provide our players a chance to play international cricket," he added.
He admitted that after the latest bomb blast, Pakistan cricket found itself in a difficult position. "The Indians have approved their tour itinerary for early next year for the series in Pakistan. But we will be flexible even for the tour venues," he said.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-...Windies/364916/
Pakistan has invited West Indies to tour Pakistan for the Tests immediately after the two countries play a three-match one-day series in Abu Dhabi from November 12 to 16.
The West Indies Cricket Board is yet to respond to the invitation and their senior players have expressed reluctance to tour Pakistan in present conditions.
A senior official of the board admitted that after the bomb attack on the Marriott hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan needed to look at its options differently.
"I think we need to now deal with this issue of teams not touring Pakistan because of security concerns more maturely. We must also look at other options in given conditions," Shafqat Naghmi, chief operating officer of the Board said.
"Cricket needs to go on in Pakistan and we can't go without international cricket for long. We have told the West Indies that we are now willing to consider playing the two Tests in Abu Dhabi.
"The series is already a loss for us but it will at least provide our players a chance to play international cricket," he added.
He admitted that after the latest bomb blast, Pakistan cricket found itself in a difficult position. "The Indians have approved their tour itinerary for early next year for the series in Pakistan. But we will be flexible even for the tour venues," he said.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-...Windies/364916/