Paul Collingwood and Shoaib Malik?

[shortpitched713]

Hasn't played enough Tests to compare to Collingwood, IMO.

Well thats an interesting opinion to take, because hes only played 7 less Tests than Collingwood. Although I agree he hasn't played all that many in any particular role. I'd say though that from what I've seen Collingwood trumps him as a Test batsman by a decent margin.

 

[Richard]

Only in his recent ability to get dropped catches and Umpiring reprieves (unless Malik can do that well too, but given that you refuse to accept that Mohammad Yousuf has had this I doubt you're keeping track ).

 

[iamdavid]

They perform similar roles with the bat but they dont strike me as particularly similar players. I think Malik has significantly more natural ability with the bat than Collingwood, he's a much more fluent-looking player and also a more dynamic one, pulls out the sort of shots Collingwood just couldnt. Despite being better to watch and more talented he hasnt been any more effective than Collingwood so far with the bat.

Collingwood the better fieldsman and I cant split their bowling.

 

[Richard]

Malik's ODI batting - as long as it's in the top four - has been far more effective against ODI-standard sides than Collingwood's TBH.

 

[R_D]

I don't think they are similar in batting style.
Collingwood's more of accumlator type of player where's Malik can switch gears easily from being run accumlator to power hitter. Malik's certainly bit more pleasing to the eye as well. More of a naturally gifted batsman than Collingwood.

Regarding test.. Malik's been doing too much shuffling up and down the order.. now that he's the captain and will have a set position than i expect his average to go up quite a bit. At the moment Collingwood's batting better than Malik's in test but i'm sure it won't be long before he'll overtake Collingwood in Test as well.

 

[Perm]

Well thats an interesting opinion to take, because hes only played 7 less Tests than Collingwood. Although I agree he hasn't played all that many in any particular role. I'd say though that from what I've seen Collingwood trumps him as a Test batsman by a decent margin.

Well, Collingwood has played Test cricket for the last two years solid. I don't think Malik has ever really been a regular in Test side until now that he is the captain.

 

[Perm]

Malik's ODI batting - as long as it's in the top three - has been far more effective against ODI-standard sides than Collingwood's TBH.

Top four I'd say.

 

[deira]

Malik is so consistent in ODI's. even when he doesn't get a fifty he would definatly score 30's and 40's. if you look at his record over the last 4 years you can see that he has helped pakistan in almost 80% of the games they have played. I can't believe he started his career as a bowler.

 

[Perm]

Malik is so consistent in ODI's. even when he doesn't get a fifty he would definatly score 30's and 40's. if you look at his record over the last 4 years you can see that he has helped pakistan in almost 80% of the games they have played. I can't believe he started his career as a bowler.

He's been a very good bowler for Pakistan too, just a shame he doesn't bowl more often.

 

[R_D]

He's been a very good bowler for Pakistan too, just a shame he doesn't bowl more often.

I think he reported for chucking or somthing but later cleared after tests. Thats why he doesn't bowl often.

 

[Richard]

Top four I'd say.

Yep.

 

[Purple_Forg]

collingwood<malik - batting
collingwood>malik - bowling
c>m - fielding

 

[TheEpic]

They don't strike me as particularly similar players so I don't see the point in arbitrarily comparing them. The only thing I will say is that Collingwood makes the most of having, what I'd politely describe as limited ability. That said, he really does make the most of it and he should be applauded for doing so. He's not particularly pretty to watch but he always makes a decent hash of it, and some of his one day innings plus his double hundred against Australia have been quite phenomenal.

 

[Shaggy Alfresco]

Would take Malik because he has the distinct advantage of not being English.

He's not English, he's Geordie.

 

[shortpitched713]

Only in his recent ability to get dropped catches and Umpiring reprieves (unless Malik can do that well too, but given that you refuse to accept that Mohammad Yousuf has had this I doubt you're keeping track ).

Was tempted to start a thread "Mohammad Yousuf: Criminally Underrated?" a while back, but we all no what the overwhelming response would be. Yes being that overwhelming response.

 

[shortpitched713]

I don't think they are similar in batting style.
Collingwood's more of accumlator type of player where's Malik can switch gears easily from being run accumlator to power hitter. Malik's certainly bit more pleasing to the eye as well. More of a naturally gifted batsman than Collingwood.

Yeah, definitely one of the best aspects of Malik's batting. Can always seem to play the type of innings that we need. I really don't think there is any time during a ODI innings in which he could be found particularly lacking, but I guess that partly has to due with the way hes been shuffled around into every role.

 

[Prince EWS]

Malik's bowling seriously under-rated in this thread so far IMO. Most people have claimed that Collingwood is a better bowler and I really don't see it. Sure, he's improved as a bowler of late, but I still don't think he holds a candle to Malik, who is basically a frontline bowler at domestic level. 163 first class wickets @ 30.40 (an average which would be below 30 if we removed his 13 test wickets @ 60 odd) with five 5WI, a 10WM and a BB of 7/81 is nothing to scoff at. His test figures aren't great but let's not forget how bad Collingwood's are.

They really aren't in the same league as bowlers at all IMO, despite Collingwood's recent improvement, and I'm very surprised by the response in this thread.

 

[shortpitched713]

Yeah at ODI level Collingwood just bowls more often than Malik, and thats the only reason I could see for him being seen as a better bowler. They're both innocuous in Tests though.

 

[Perm]

Malik's bowling seriously under-rated in this thread so far IMO. Most people have claimed that Collingwood is a better bowler and I really don't see it. Sure, he's improved as a bowler of late, but I still don't think he holds a candle to Malik, who is basically a frontline bowler at domestic level. 163 first class wickets @ 30.40 (an average which would be below 30 if we removed his 13 test wickets @ 60 odd) with five 5WI, a 10WM and a BB of 7/81 is nothing to scoff at. His test figures aren't great but let's not forget how bad Collingwood's are.

They really aren't in the same league as bowlers at all IMO, despite Collingwood's recent improvement, and I'm very surprised by the response in this thread.

Totally agree, Malik is also a far better ODI bowler. Unfortunately he doesn't roll the arm over that often anymore, which is a shame.

 

[Purple_Forg]

Totally agree, Malik is also a far better ODI bowler. Unfortunately he doesn't roll the arm over that often anymore, which is a shame.

yes... he just doesn't bowl that often any more