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Pakistan Tour of South Africa 2018/19

Bolo

State Captain
But Indian batsmen are mostly pretty terrible players of spin so... We'll have 3 day tests and complaints, but like here it'll be the batsmen making the pitch look worse.
Terrible is a label I'd hold back for real quality like RSA, but India don't have too much to speak of anymore either.

Could be a bit of a horror show for the bats though. Last time RSA toured they had zero good bowlers (after the injuries) and a lineup that wasn't completely inept against spin. On the same pitches 3 day tests would be optimistic
 

Bolo

State Captain
SA have gone a bit far for some of the recent pitches... the Wanderers pitch against India was terrible. But this Newlands pitch is not one of those.
You make it sound like they have been doing it on purpose by saying gone too far. Groundskeepers have just been doing a bad job recently. Both with inconsistent bounce, and with too much juice in the pitches against instructions (for the Indian series and one or two from AUS).

Wanderers has been ridiculous. It was dangerous for that India game and less problematically offered too much. Then for AUS they had it turning square on day one. Lanka would have been embarrassed to dish up something with that amount of turn in the first day. There's a new groundskeeper IIRC.

This pitch has a tiny bit of inconsistent bounce, and that one horrible crack. Other than that, it's a fast bouncy road (to whatever extent this is not a contradiction in terms). Last game fairly similar.
 

Starfighter

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Is this going to be one of those ones where I watch the highlights and see the ball clearly touching the ground?
Yes, indeed it was.

Also Sarfraz' dropping Du Plessis was one one of the best drops I've ever seen. Not only was it as easy a catch as you could ask for going down the leg side he deflected it into his face as well.
 
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M0rphin3

International Debutant
Why can't Bavuma just convert one? Seems to get a lot of useful 50ish scores but conversion rate is really piss. Seems like a mental block than anything else tbh.

Also, how long are they gonna be patient with de Bruyn? I presume Hamza's not gonna be benched for long.
 

Daemon

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"With South Africa, particularly when you play a subcontinent team, you're always going to ask for bounce and pace. I think both wickets have been very weighted in favour of the bowlers, and obviously because it is home ground advantage. We get the ball to turn a little bit in the UAE," he said.

"I just think it is inconsistent. I think there were seven stoppages today for balls that hit cracks and the physio came running out and we're talking about day two.
fair enough I thought.
 

StephenZA

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You make it sound like they have been doing it on purpose by saying gone too far. Groundskeepers have just been doing a bad job recently. Both with inconsistent bounce, and with too much juice in the pitches against instructions (for the Indian series and one or two from AUS).

Wanderers has been ridiculous. It was dangerous for that India game and less problematically offered too much. Then for AUS they had it turning square on day one. Lanka would have been embarrassed to dish up something with that amount of turn in the first day. There's a new groundskeeper IIRC.

This pitch has a tiny bit of inconsistent bounce, and that one horrible crack. Other than that, it's a fast bouncy road (to whatever extent this is not a contradiction in terms). Last game fairly similar.
They were trying to create the fast bouncy pitches on purpose, particularly for India.... but they got it wrong and it went to far. The final Wanderers pitch was not good. And there had been clear pressure from SA management as what they expected. The pitches in prior years had got a bit slower in the highveld for a multitude of reasons. So what we have here is a 2 part problem, the public management pressure put on groundsman to make sure that the pitch had some juice combined with inexperienced curators. Unnecessary public pressure on the curators was not the solution, support from CSA to ensure those inexperienced curators got it right and kept the feel of what was already there is what was needed.

I enjoy the result driven pitches that SA produces, but even with weak batting right now, and as strong as SA bowling is, we are having to many games finish within 3 days. Just like a pitch can be to flat, it can be to spicy, we should not ignore that reality. Overall I like the various different pitches you get in SA, think Kingsmeade needs some work. But for the most part I don't think the pitch characteristics need altering, just basic execution of getting a good competition between bat and ball.

Just to be clear the last 2 pitches at Centurion and here at Newlands have been fine. This Newlands pitch is actually pretty excellent. Runs to be made and something always available for the bowlers.
 
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Dendarii

International Debutant
Also, how long are they gonna be patient with de Bruyn? I presume Hamza's not gonna be benched for long.
We were actually discussing this in the South African selection thread, and it was suggested that it might actually be Mulder who comes in for De Bruyn as he brings his bowling with him, which helps team balance. That's tough on Hamza, but he may necessarily not have to wait too long to make his debut if Amla does retire after the World Cup as we all think he probably will.
 

GoodAreasShane

Cricketer Of The Year
We were actually discussing this in the South African selection thread, and it was suggested that it might actually be Mulder who comes in for De Bruyn as he brings his bowling with him, which helps team balance. That's tough on Hamza, but he may necessarily not have to wait too long to make his debut if Amla does retire after the World Cup as we all think he probably will.
With Mulder just coming back off injury, surely he would a need a fair few overs under his belt before being rushed in?
 

Dendarii

International Debutant
This Newlands pitch is actually pretty excellent. Runs to be made and something always available for the bowlers.
Given that South Africa are going to post over 400 (barring a monumental collapse), there's no way you can say it's a poor pitch. The worst thing you can say about it is that maybe it favoured the bowlers on Day 1 and the toss became a bit too important, but if Pakistan get bundled out for a low score in their second innings as well then that argument goes out the window.
 

StephenZA

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With Mulder just coming back off injury, surely he would a need a fair few overs under his belt before being rushed in?
We looking long term... getting Mulder into the team at 6 giving him a chance to settle during the SL series is the hope. Which I have been advocating.

But saying that looking at our schedule, the fact that we are playing India in India in Oct as our next series, maybe Mulder would be a touch early. Muthusamy must come into consideration then?
 

StephenZA

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Given that South Africa are going to post over 400 (barring a monumental collapse), there's no way you can say it's a poor pitch. The worst thing you can say about it is that maybe it favoured the bowlers on Day 1 and the toss became a bit too important, but if Pakistan get bundled out for a low score in their second innings as well then that argument goes out the window.
It did stuff morning of day 2 as well; it took hard test batting, a bit of luck and wearing a few to get into the position we got.
 

GoodAreasShane

Cricketer Of The Year
We looking long term... getting Mulder into the team at 6 giving him a chance to settle during the SL series is the hope. Which I have been advocating.

But saying that looking at our schedule, the fact that we are playing India in India in Oct as our next series, maybe Mulder would be a touch early. Muthusamy must come into consideration then?
I like Mulder, kid has a bright future ahead of him with bat and ball, but if he's only half fit/not bowling much then he probably shouldn't be picked at this stage
 

StephenZA

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I like Mulder, kid has a bright future ahead of him with bat and ball, but if he's only half fit/not bowling much then he probably shouldn't be picked at this stage
He is playing in the 4 day competition... so assume he is back to at least reasonable fitness. Not calling for his inclusion for next test as such, maybe in the SL series.
 

M0rphin3

International Debutant
We looking long term... getting Mulder into the team at 6 giving him a chance to settle during the SL series is the hope. Which I have been advocating.

But saying that looking at our schedule, the fact that we are playing India in India in Oct as our next series, maybe Mulder would be a touch early. Muthusamy must come into consideration then?
Fair, but you need a proper, solid middle order bat though, short term. If Mulder can handle spin well and can be a solid middle order bat, then bowling is pretty much a bonus. You need some real proper bats touring India especially.
 

Dendarii

International Debutant
He is playing in the 4 day competition... so assume he is back to at least reasonable fitness. Not calling for his inclusion for next test as such, maybe in the SL series.
Yeah, the first test against Sri Lanka is over a month away, so that's enough time for Mulder to prove his fitness.

It would also be a little tough on De Bruyn not to to picked for the next test, but after having been given a consistent run in the side in home conditions, with all the other batsmen already having made at least one 50, if he fails again you think it might be the end for him.
 

StephenZA

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If the Pakistan attitude is that this pitch is dangerous and they are scared to bat.... then there batting is in real trouble.
 

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