Over-rated things in cricket

[ohnoitsyou]

Agree on most of these apart from the Kallis one tbh.

Williamson is highly unlikely to be anything other than a good batsman. Which in NZ context is a great batsman, but he's generally going to be overrated because of how elegantly he plays his shots. I actually think he'll be a better ODI batsman than Test batsman.

Swinging the ball both ways is awesome when it's done well but it's not a necessary skill and often gets in the way of good bowling plans and execution. Jimmy Anderson does it well. Shane Watson sometimes produces a good one-two. Zaheer Khan was good at it. But Steyn has never bowled an in swinger and he's miles better than all of those blokes.

Umm Steyns bowled a lot of inswingers in his time. Only seems to do it with the Duke ball though

 

[OverratedSanity]

Umm Steyns bowled a lot of inswingers in his time. Only seems to do it with the Duke ball though

He has? Honestly feel I've never seen him bowl a conventional inswinger. He generally bowls the off cutter/inseamer or just gets it to reverse in with the old ball

 

[Spark]

He bowls one once every five Tests or so. His straight-on ball is the variation.

 

[hendrix]

hmmm, I've only ever seen him reverse it in or seam it in.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

He's not the greatest at it (blocky to attest with lecture on arm plane), but if its hooping then he tends to bring it out.

 

[Maximas]

he's not Jimmy Anderson though, proof having both options available conventionally doesn't necessary trump having a straight one and an outswinger

 

[Spark]

hmmm, I've only ever seen him reverse it in or seam it in.

I don't think it happens deliberately. By once I literally mean one ball. As you say, the ball that seams in is more his go.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

He's not the greatest at it (blocky to attest with lecture on arm plane), but if its hooping then he tends to bring it out.

as our man would say he can't do it consistently

 

[Riggins]

he's not Jimmy Anderson though, proof having both options available conventionally doesn't necessary trump having a straight one and an outswinger

Yeah it does though, when everything else is equal.

 

[Maximas]

key word was 'necessarily'

 

[Riggins]

I was under the impression the point you were making was that dale steyn wouldn't be better if he bowled both.

 

[Maximas]

Nah, was more about how a bowler with both isn't necessarily better than Steyn, despite the hype about bowlers who can swing it both ways

 

[OverratedSanity]

I was under the impression the point you were making was that dale steyn wouldn't be better if he bowled both.

Nah he's saying Steyn doesn't need to swing it both ways to be better than a bowler who does

 

[Riggins]

Oh so Steyn's a better bowler than Monk?

 

[Maximas]

some might say

 

[Agent Nationaux]

That's because Jimmy's outswinger is no where near the quality of Steyn's. If Steyn could himself bowl an inswinger at will, one that would be equal in quality to his outswinger, then he would be a better bowler.

 

[Maximas]

yeah but it's not about whose outswinger is better or whatever, it's that the potency of the stock delivery matters more than having both swing variations, despite how excited people get about guys who can swing it both ways, that's why I think it's a little overrated

 

[Garson007]

kph is a ridiculous measurement so can we please stick to fractions of the speed of light so that we all have a real idea as to how fast something is travelling? Also, the person that decided that the distance travelled by light in 1/299792458 seconds should equal 1 metre must have been on drugs. After all, how is that different to 1/299792459, 1/299792457, or some other random number?

Sorry, but units snobbery when there is actually no inherent advantage to any one system of units over another in context really, really irritates me.

This reminds me of how we always worked in units of speed of light in physics, because it makes calculations and transformations trivial.

 

[45DegreeOBS]

That's because Jimmy's outswinger is no where near the quality of Steyn's. If Steyn could himself bowl an inswinger at will, one that would be equal in quality to his outswinger, then he would be a better bowler.

Of course he would! But perfecting the in-swinger would take up so much time, his out-swinger wouldn't be nearly as accurate, fast, or have as much swing if he had spent 1000's of deliveries trying to perfect the in-swinger.
Most overrated part of pace bowling (which is inexplicably overrated by itself) 52) Swing

 

[nightprowler10]

Sorry, but units snobbery when there is actually no inherent advantage to any one system of units over another in context really, really irritates me.

I actually like using mph for bowling/pitching because 100 mph seems like such an awesome number to hit in either case.