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Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Haha I was literally just thinking about how suspicious Flo Jo's 1988 records and her entire career are.
Just reminded myself of her career again on wiki, it's quite the story really. The fact she retired pretty much straight after Seoul and just before mandatory drug testing started doesn't raise suspicions at all.....

I'm sure those far more cynical than me would easily link her retirement seizures that eventually killed her to whatever was going on in her career.
 

Coronis

International Coach
I think it's amazing, given all the advances particularly on the track, that the long jump World and Olympic records are 33 and 56 years old respectively.

I get that Beaman's record was essentially done without gravity, but it seems like an anomaly that nobody has really come close.
Yeah Beamon’s leap was a totally out of the blue thing. His second best was like 8.33

You always have to feel for Carl Lewis somehow never having the WR despite being far better than Beamon and far more consistently great than Powell. 18 times blokes have jumped 8.71+, Lewis has 9 of those, no other person has jumped 8.71 or higher twice lol.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah Beamon’s leap was a totally out of the blue thing. His second best was like 8.33

You always have to feel for Carl Lewis somehow never having the WR despite being far better than Beamon and far more consistently great than Powell. 18 times blokes have jumped 8.71+, Lewis has 9 of those, no other person has jumped 8.71 or higher twice lol.
It's interesting reading the Flo Jo story that a whistleblower tried to implicate Lewis too when suggesting she was getting injections from her coach. Said whistleblower was quickly 'retired' from the US Athletics team.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Lewis was caught doping once, wasn't he?
I don't think he was ever caught, but there are suggestions that he was one of many taking stimulants during that period.

His is another interesting story, never gaining huge public support in the US because of the perception he might be gay amongst other things.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
I remember watching a documentary about the race Ben Johnson won in Seoul (where I think 6 of the 8 finalists were subsequently implicated in PED investigations), and it was noted that a side effect of using human growth hormone is that a lot of people who abuse it end up needing braces because of its effect on your teeth. For what it's Lewis was sporting a shiny set of braces during his 80's heyday.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Taking from Wikipedia…

Lewis was among the named athletes and Exum's documents revealed that at the 1988 Olympics trials he had three positive results on a combined test for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine. All were and are banned in sport due to their activity as stimulants, though at the time all three were available over-the-counter as dietary supplements or treatments for coldand allergy symptoms. The combined concentrations of these stimulants detected in the three successive tests were 2 ppm, 4 ppm and 6 ppm.

Lewis defended himself, claiming that he had accidentally consumed the banned substances. After the supplements that he had taken were analyzed to prove his claims, the USOC accepted his claim of inadvertent use, since a dietary supplement he ingested was found to contain ma huang, the Chinese name for Ephedra sinica, an ephedrine-bearing plant which was then marketed as a weight loss aid.

The highest level of the stimulants Lewis recorded was 6 ppm, which was regarded as a positive test in 1988 but is now regarded as negative test. The acceptable level has been raised to ten parts per million for ephedrine and twenty-five parts per million for other substances. According to the IOC rules at the time, positive tests with levels lower than 10 ppm were cause of further investigation but not immediate ban. Neal Benowitz, a professor of medicine at UC San Francisco who is an expert on ephedrine and other stimulants, agreed in 2003 that "These [levels] are what you'd see from someone taking cold or allergy medicines and are unlikely to have any effect on performance."

Also just in general lol @ Johnson going all anti doping, because he was caught twice, both times for systematic abuse. Plus when he became Gaddafi’s kid’s PT and then the kid subsequently was caught doping.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Also just in general lol @ Johnson going all anti doping, because he was caught twice, both times for systematic abuse. Plus when he became Gaddafi’s kid’s PT and then the kid subsequently was caught doping.
Yeah, that was what grabbed me too. What a beacon of justice Johnson is!!
 

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Michael Johnson also had issues with Carl Lewis, but I can’t remember why and they seem to have buried the hatchet. I think Johnson talks about it on his Desert Island Discs, so might give that a relisten.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Michael Johnson also had issues with Carl Lewis, but I can’t remember why and they seem to have buried the hatchet. I think Johnson talks about it on his Desert Island Discs, so might give that a relisten.
Carl Lewis has always come across as an insufferable prick.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Linford Christie's 1988 Olympic final doping test is ****ing wild in hindsight. Tests positive, is asked to explain himself, protests his innocence and insists that any doping is accidental, IOC holds a vote and decides 11-10 that they believe his explanation, so he keeps his medal.

His doping ban in 1999 is strange as **** as well, comes out of retirement to run some low level irrelevant meet in Dortmund (basically to prove the guys he's coaching wrong because they're ribbing him about how he's now slow and past it), wins it then tests positive for nandrolone (at a time where it felt like every high profile Dutch footballer was also serving lengthy bans for the same reason.)
 

Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
Taking from Wikipedia…

Lewis was among the named athletes and Exum's documents revealed that at the 1988 Olympics trials he had three positive results on a combined test for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine. All were and are banned in sport due to their activity as stimulants, though at the time all three were available over-the-counter as dietary supplements or treatments for coldand allergy symptoms. The combined concentrations of these stimulants detected in the three successive tests were 2 ppm, 4 ppm and 6 ppm.

Lewis defended himself, claiming that he had accidentally consumed the banned substances. After the supplements that he had taken were analyzed to prove his claims, the USOC accepted his claim of inadvertent use, since a dietary supplement he ingested was found to contain ma huang, the Chinese name for Ephedra sinica, an ephedrine-bearing plant which was then marketed as a weight loss aid.

The highest level of the stimulants Lewis recorded was 6 ppm, which was regarded as a positive test in 1988 but is now regarded as negative test. The acceptable level has been raised to ten parts per million for ephedrine and twenty-five parts per million for other substances. According to the IOC rules at the time, positive tests with levels lower than 10 ppm were cause of further investigation but not immediate ban. Neal Benowitz, a professor of medicine at UC San Francisco who is an expert on ephedrine and other stimulants, agreed in 2003 that "These [levels] are what you'd see from someone taking cold or allergy medicines and are unlikely to have any effect on performance."

Also just in general lol @ Johnson going all anti doping, because he was caught twice, both times for systematic abuse. Plus when he became Gaddafi’s kid’s PT and then the kid subsequently was caught doping.
I vaguely recall a documentary about that the 1988 100m as well but it went back to the '84 games. Suggestion that there was a whole industry behind the scenes in the US team that was covered up but can't remember the details. I think all those athletes in the 80s have to have higher asterisks against them but perhaps better to remain behind the veil of ignorance and just accept that however drugged up they were, they still ran that fast and jumped that far.

There was a British slalom skier who won Winter Olympic bronze 20 years ago but got dq'd because he'd taken an over the counter inhaler for his asthma, not realising that the local version had a higher level of steroid than in the UK. A harsh one, punishment for stupidity but them's the rules.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
There was a British slalom skier who won Winter Olympic bronze 20 years ago but got dq'd because he'd taken an over the counter inhaler for his asthma, not realising that the local version had a higher level of steroid than in the UK. A harsh one, punishment for stupidity but them's the rules.
Nah, it's not harsh in the slightest.
 

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