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*Official* Yorkshire CCC racism crisis thread

chris.hinton

International Captain
Do primary schools not play it in part because of the time it takes and the space needed for it? It’s amazing how you’re conditioned to just think the stuff you have in school is mostly the same everywhere. When I was growing up every primary school had teams
Some do, Some don't. My Brother did but only on a basic level
 

chris.hinton

International Captain
The report mentions a Drinking Culture, This isn't going to change people work all week so will play cricket on Saturday and sink a few beers afterwards.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The report mentions a Drinking Culture, This isn't going to change people work all week so will play cricket on Saturday and sink a few beers afterwards.
If my observations around here are anything to go by, you're about as likely to remove the drinking culture from club cricket as you are from darts.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
One other aspect for State Schools is that so many playing fields have been sold off for housing in the last 40 years. My own school now only has a 1/3 of the pitches it had when I was there. I guess space is not such an issue in Australia. I played cricket in Primary and Secondary, but even then, most of our matches were against Private Schools (we actually had a really decent team but that was more because one of our PE Teachers was an ex County player).

I recently helped coach a Girls Team all the way through from U11's to U18's and after a while they started doing joint training sessions with the boys. It's sad to see, but the State School educated boys turned up without any skills, cricket was completely new to them. Great that they were there, but they were so far behind the Private boys, it's hard to imagine how so many could ever catch up.
 

Blenkinsop

U19 Captain
I was at secondary school in the UK back in the 1980s. There was no cricket in PE and the school team played a total of precisely two matches in the five years I was at the school. I was lucky that our village had a side that was welcoming to juniors.

Fast forward to the 2010s and my eldest was quite a promising cricketer. He was in the county setup age 10 but within a couple of years had been completely left behind by the private school kids. There was just no way to compete with the amount of coaching they received, year-round, and the facilities they had available.

What's interesting though is that although heavily coached and very confident private school kids dominated junior cricket in our part of the world, I don't think any of them went on to play professionally, whereas I can think of three or four state school children who did.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
What's interesting though is that although heavily coached and very confident private school kids dominated junior cricket in our part of the world, I don't think any of them went on to play professionally, whereas I can think of three or four state school children who did.
I think that's a good point. Talented Private School kids will probably have other options and expectations, University, strong networks into decent high paid jobs etc etc.

Talented State School kids would probably be more likely to try their hand at cricket full time if the opportunity arose, which is why not being able to introduce the sport to them in school is such a loss.
 

andruid

Cricketer Of The Year
One other aspect for State Schools is that so many playing fields have been sold off for housing in the last 40 years. My own school now only has a 1/3 of the pitches it had when I was there. I guess space is not such an issue in Australia. I played cricket in Primary and Secondary, but even then, most of our matches were against Private Schools (we actually had a really decent team but that was more because one of our PE Teachers was an ex County player).

I recently helped coach a Girls Team all the way through from U11's to U18's and after a while they started doing joint training sessions with the boys. It's sad to see, but the State School educated boys turned up without any skills, cricket was completely new to them. Great that they were there, but they were so far behind the Private boys, it's hard to imagine how so many could ever catch up.
Where I come from that is called land grabbing. Call in the bulldozers and riot police
 

Niall

International Coach
The report mentions a Drinking Culture, This isn't going to change people work all week so will play cricket on Saturday and sink a few beers afterwards.

Plenty of clubs rely on the takings when it comes to the pints also.

Some of the stuff in the report seems fine, but surely you can do all the good stuff and still have Eton V Harrow etc? I don't get how one solitary fixture boils the piss of so many people.
 

Chubb

International Regular
I think people find Eton v Harrow particularly egregious because it's the only school fixture held at Lords, they are the elite of the elite and have like 40+ of their own pitches between them. Even then I wouldn't necessarily begrudge them playing on the Nursery Ground given the history of the fixture, but they play in the main stadium.
 

thierry henry

International Coach
I get where you’re coming from. I actively cheer for the All Blacks (not England though) against the Wallabies. Nothing pleases me more than seeing them get absolutely poleaxed by a side which actually resembles something approaching a cross section of the country they represent.
**** that mate. ABs are a bunch of toffs to me - perhaps more the fanbase than the players tbf. Went to a Super Rugby game a few years ago, very weird demographic. The Warriors and Kiwis represent the true working man of NZ.
 

chris.hinton

International Captain
I think people find Eton v Harrow particularly egregious because it's the only school fixture held at Lords, they are the elite of the elite and have like 40+ of their own pitches between them. Even then I wouldn't necessarily begrudge them playing on the Nursery Ground given the history of the fixture, but they play in the main stadium.
Eton vs Harrow isn't on TV, Most Cricket fans don't give a toss and they have their day (s) and that's it. If the State School U20 final is at Lords then it's not an issue.

Eton vs Harrow is just one match
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I think that's a good point. Talented Private School kids will probably have other options and expectations, University, strong networks into decent high paid jobs etc etc.

Talented State School kids would probably be more likely to try their hand at cricket full time if the opportunity arose, which is why not being able to introduce the sport to them in school is such a loss.
In my experience, the overwhelming majority of private school cricketers in Australia don’t play much grade & the reasoning is understandable

They play on first class facilities at school and there’s some cache associated with being in the first eleven

In grade, they have to work their way up the grades and start off playing at shitsville

It’s also not a social event unlike the atmosphere at many English clubs

Meanwhile, they’re mates are out having fun

Cricket is a very easy game to give up in Australia
 

RossTaylorsBox

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Botham, who is one of the most popular figures in English cricket after featuring in 102 Tests for his country, is disappointed the ICEC didn't ask for his thoughts on the matter. He added: "No one’s interviewed me, no one asked me for my thoughts on it."

Botham continued: "I don’t know whether it’s just that I’m lucky or whether it’s because people know my thoughts on racism and the stances I’ve made, or the time I’ve spent with Nelson Mandela. He tapped me on the shoulder and said to me ‘you’re my hero’.
Lol this ****ing guy
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Let's compare Australia and England at cricket. The UK population is roughly 3 times that of Australia.

Yet for the most part, they have a stronger cricket team than us - now why is that?

Is it because their population is just more talented at the game. Or could it be that the vast majority of their population have access to the game whereas here that is only available to a small % of the population. 🤔

Answers on a postcard please.
Climate, diet, and coordination.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
**** that mate. ABs are a bunch of toffs to me - perhaps more the fanbase than the players tbf. Went to a Super Rugby game a few years ago, very weird demographic. The Warriors and Kiwis represent the true working man of NZ.
??? Apart from bogans (and not that I have a problem with bogans - have a few bogan mates) no one in the South Island really follows league that much apart from watching the odd game on tv.
 

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