***Official*** West Indies in India 2014

[Burgey]

I reckon I can sort this out. If I could get the **** of a client I had last week to settle, anything is possible.

 

[YorksLanka]

Come on guys, we know how we would react if our salaries were cut by 60% without our consent. I know this is about representing the country, but you have got to be able to relate to this.

yes , you're right- but holding the board and the fans to ransom isnt the way to go about dealing with it,they should have fulfilled their commitments and then negotiated when they got home imo - you can understand why they have done this at this time tho, to make an impact and it has !!

 

[Jono]

Its just weird considering so many of them rely on IPL, and they've annoyed the organisers of the IPL and the consumer market of the IPL.

 

[brockley]

Good point Yorks,and it could be made worse if the BCCI decides to get other nations to boycott the West Indies.I say this as the BCCI is very vengeful,as the Aussies and Mike Procter found out,also Haroon Largoot and the South African board.

Interestingly Sri Lanka was out of the loop when they voted against the CA/BCCI/ECB proposal,but now are back in the loop.I guess their are only so many countries you can make friends with.

 

[Athlai]

The ability to blame the BCCI on absolutely everything and anything on full show here.

When you blame BCCI on stuff that isn't their fault, it dilutes the noise for genuine complaints about the organisation.

Unless BCCI actually sue for losses then the BCCI have been entirely in the right for the first time ever.

 

[Maximas]

Doing it like this has caused a massive stir and let everyone down, sort out the off-field **** before or after the tour, pulling out mid-tour is unfair on the Indian team, the BCCI, the broadcasters, the fans and of course everyone back home including the WICB which will now have to foot the bill, dreadful stuff from all involved

 

[harsh.ag]

The tipping point was when the WICB refused to negotiate with anyone but the WIPA.

As soon as Bravo's letter was received there should have been direct talks with the players.

The abandonment of the tour is nothing but a short term prickish move by the players. Are they getting messed around? Perhaps but their own union is central to this. They needed to see out the tour and air their grievances afterwards in a professional manner. This is a disaster. There is a few quid to make on an India tour and good BCCI relations are pretty important. These actions will have long term financial effects for WICB and players. If I was BCCI, I wouldnt deal with WI cricket in any form unless I had to.

Yes, it is very hard on the players. IMO, upon receiving the player's initial complaint regarding not being informed about the fees reduction, the WICB should have agreed to pay their previous wages until the end of the tour. Hammering out a new long term agreement then could have been done after the series ended, but before the tour of SA. Having said that, I do feel that many of WI players involved in the strike will come to regret their actions in the coming years.

I think Hendrix makes a telling point here. They did air their grievances in a professional manner. And were told very firmly, according to Michael Holding, that there was not going to be any negotiation on this. There was no assurance whatsoever of a negotiation given to the players.

I think WICB is way more at fault than the players, and the players are copping too much **** for this. Not saying that this was a right decision by them, but I get it. A

Also, I think the fact that they acted on their principles despite the mighty BCCI being involved is a courageous thing. The kind of courageous thing we have always been told is a good thing. So it wasn't the most practical thing, yes, but I give them a bit of credit as well.

And before someone comes in saying this wasn't about principle, but money, I think being fairly remunerated is a principle too, and so do you, so don't kid yourself.

 

[Camo999]

The ability to blame the BCCI on absolutely everything and anything on full show here.

When you blame BCCI on stuff that isn't their fault, it dilutes the noise for genuine complaints about the organisation.

Not BCCI's fault as such but if I was in the BCCI I would have made damn sure the players received their 1 or 2m so that I received my 65m.

My other issue is how can it be that a bi-lateral series can generate these sort of funds but one of the teams competing can't even afford to pay their players?

 

[OverratedSanity]

My other issue is how can it be that a bi-lateral series can generate these sort of funds but one of the teams competing can't even afford to pay their players?

Yeah this is what I'm wondering about too. Obviously India would get most of the moolanh, but how are West Indies that broke. 60% paycuts? smh

 

[harsh.ag]

I think it is because all the money is coming from Indian consumers and Indian companies. Isn't that right?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah but how are West Indies not getting enough to even pay their guys? That's like the bare minimum. And doesn't the CPL t20 league give them some money?

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah but how are West Indies not getting enough to even pay their guys? That's like the bare minimum. And doesn't the CPL t20 league give them some money?

The Holding article suggests that it's not a matter of not being able to pay them and more a matter of seeking revenge against a deal made a while ago which they weren't happy with.

The board wanted to professionalise the domestic setup and the players agreed originally to accept paycuts in order to achieve that goal, but the actual paycuts ushered in by the WICB with support of the WIPA boss were far beyond what the players had agreed to or were expecting.. not in the interests of necessity but in the interests of revenge.

 

[social]

The BCCI generates 80% of all cricket revenue and gives 75% to the ICC for distribution to others

WI generates 0.5% of all cricket revenue and survives on subsidies from the ICC (i.e. BCCI) to pay its bills

There is simply not enough money in the WICB pot to pay the internationals the same rate as before AND give domestics a salary which allows them to go fully professional, hence the negotiations

 

[harsh.ag]

But really, how in the hell did Wavell Hinds end up signing in favour of that pay cut?

 

[social]

But really, how in the hell did Wavell Hinds end up signing in favour of that pay cut?

Complete ****-up/lack of communication

See PEWs response

 

[Jono]

But really, how in the hell did Wavell Hinds end up signing in favour of that pay cut?

Maybe he signed a WAIVE(LL)R

 

[Jono]

But really, how in the hell did Wavell Hinds end up signing in favour of that pay cut?

In HINDSight this seems a bad move by him.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Maybe he signed a WAIVE(LL)R

In HINDSight this seems a bad move by him.

You know how to make puns! Bravo

 

[Jono]

Didn't get that one at first. Lack of caps and bold got me.

 

[Dan]

It felt like Jono's first pun was RAMDIN there a little bit; could've BENN better IMO. Second one flowed far better, like a WAVE(LL) on appROACH.