**Official** West Indies in England Thread

[Pratters]

Actually, if you look at his record in helpful conditions, you might revisit that opinion - his overall record is such because he plays so much cricket outside of those conditions.

In fact if you look at someone like Harbajan's record in those sorts of conditions, and you'd be saying he'd be playing Ranjis at best

Giles vs Harbhajan?

Okay then I will compare Harmison with Agarkar

 

[luckyeddie]

Giles vs Harbhajan?

Okay then I will compare Harmison with Agarkar

When they count the votes in Parliament...

<quack> After the Division Bell?

Sorry?

<quack> The Division Bell

It's in the CD rack

<quack> What is?

The Division Bell - It's an album by Pink Floyd. Anyway, that's not the point.

<quack> And you actually have one?

Yes.

<quack> That's a first.

Look, when they take a vote in Parliament, as you so rightly said, after the Division Bell, You vote in favour or against a bill.

<quack> I know all about bills, mate - I was born with one.

Very funny. Anyway, if there's more votes in favour, Mister Speaker says "The Ayes have it"

<quack> Pratyush is comparing AA and Harmy, so it won't work.

What won't?

<quack> Pratyush is Indian - so AA will win

So?

<quack> It's nothing to do with eyes at all.The ears will have it. The eyes will only have it if Murali's included.

 

[viktor]

Actually, if you look at his record in helpful conditions, you might revisit that opinion - his overall record is such because he plays so much cricket outside of those conditions.

In fact if you look at someone like Harbajan's record in those sorts of conditions, and you'd be saying he'd be playing Ranjis at best

couldn't connect to the stats server on cricinfo
however here's their stats for Eng in Ind from rediff
Giles : 2 mts 6 wk 33 avg
HS : 3 mts 13 wk 24. avg

slight difference there ... or am i mistaken?

 

[Swervy]

couldn't connect to the stats server on cricinfo
however here's their stats for Eng in Ind from rediff
Giles : 2 mts 6 wk 33 avg
HS : 3 mts 13 wk 24. avg

slight difference there ... or am i mistaken?

not an entirely fair comparison..considering Giles was bowling to reputedly the best players of spin in the world, whereas Harbhajan wasnt

 

[Pratters]

How can people compare Giles with Harbhajan? While Harbhajan isnt among the greats, he is a good test bowler. Giles on the other hand would struggle to make most test teams with the exception of the Windies and South Africa (who havent really produced great spinners since their reinstation into the test arena). Rafique could give Giles a run for his money as a spinner for Bangladesh too..

Giles is a good support to the 4 pronged attack of England and thats it.

 

[Swervy]

How can people compare Giles with Harbhajan? While Harbhajan isnt among the greats, he is a good test bowler. Giles on the other hand would struggle to make most test teams with the exception of the Windies and South Africa (who havent really produced great spinners since their reinstation into the test arena). Rafique could give Giles a run for his money as a spinner for Bangladesh too..

Giles is a good support to the 4 pronged attack of England and thats it.

but really is Harbhajan that good...when ever I have seen him bowl he has been disapointing

 

[Swervy]

and to be fair to Giles, he has bowled really well recently

 

[Pratters]

151 wickets in 36 tests is good for a test bowler. Even if we doscount the series vs Australia where he wrecked havoc, he has a good record. He made his debut very early and is still just 24 years old.

He is disappointing because people expect him to do miracles after the Aussie series which is impossible. His one day record with an economy of 4.15 isnt bad too.

He still has a lot of time left and though hasnt produced spectacular stuff apart from 2001, has done his job as 'one of 4 bowlers in the side' well. Its just that other Indian bowlers (apart from Kumble) have been extremely inconsistent.

 

[Pratters]

and to be fair to Giles, he has bowled really well recently

As a support bowler to the 4 pacers, Giles does his job well. But he is just a stock bowler. His average of around 36-37 suggests that. I doubt he would ever turn into a Pat Symcox.

 

[marc71178]

How can people compare Giles with Harbhajan? While Harbhajan isnt among the greats, he is a good test bowler.

He's good on helpful wickets, but then again, so is Giles.

When not on helpful wickets he is far from good, and I wager that if he'd played the same number of games on unhelpful wickets, his average and record would be very similar to that of Giles.

 

[Swervy]

As a support bowler to the 4 pacers, Giles does his job well. But he is just a stock bowler. His average of around 36-37 suggests that. I doubt he would ever turn into a Pat Symcox.

well his role has been a bit more than stock bowler this year thats for sure...he is playing a major part in England success

 

[Pratters]

He's good on helpful wickets, but then again, so is Giles.

When not on helpful wickets he is far from good, and I wager that if he'd played the same number of games on unhelpful wickets, his average and record would be very similar to that of Giles.

Harbhajan has a lot of time to improve his record and I am sure he will.

well his role has been a bit more than stock bowler this year thats for sure...he is playing a major part in England success.

Giles hasnt been a strike bowler throughout his career. One series vs the Windies doesnt change that.

 

[Swervy]

Harbhajan has a lot of time to improve his record and I am sure he will.



Giles hasnt been a strike bowler throughout his career. One series vs the Windies doesnt change that.

England have always had differing stategies to India bowling wise...of course Indian spinners will tend to be considered more as strike bowlers for India because of the conditions they play a lot of cricket in.Now vaughan is captain however, there does appear to be a shift in strategy, probably because Vaughan appears to be a more attacking captain than Hussain..and Giles has risen to the challenge

 

[luckyeddie]

but really is Harbhajan that good...when ever I have seen him bowl he has been disapointing

Don't diss The Dentist

 

[Swervy]

have england missed a trick making WI follow on here...if WI bat well on this good pitch (still only 3rd day) they could possibly get 450 say (if they bat at this rate they will get there by the end of the day...wow!!!)...

actually nah..I am talking rubbish..the pitch is good,no front line spinner for WI....yeah ignore me

 

[Timewell]

Bye Bye Brian. Great catch from Tresco...a pearler. Nice! Why the hell has Bravo come in at 5? Suicidal...

Anderson has a wicket! Good lad!

 

[Swervy]

Bye Bye Brian. Great catch from Tresco...a pearler. Nice! Why the hell has Bravo come in at 5? Suicidal...

Anderson has a wicket! Good lad!

yeah a good over from Anderson

 

[superkingdave]

Has another now, best hes bowled in an england shirt for a while

 

[Craig]

For an outside bet, The Windies for the CT isn't that bad.

What are their odds?

 

[luckyeddie]

It's good to see England giving Anderson a long bowl. For goodness sake, the guy's had no work this season whatsoever.

He's young, strong and should be bowling far more overs than he has been allowed to. Possibly that's one of the problems with the 'central contract' that needs to be ironed out in future - the counties seem loath to play them when they are not involved with the test side. Sometimes, a guy just needs to get out there and bowl 22 overs in a day.