***Official*** West Indies in Australia

[Top_Cat]

Australia were carrying Hayden, Katich, Martyn, Gilchrist, Gillespie/Tait and Lee for the majority of the series.

Just because those players had a run of outs, doesn't mean the team was carrying them.

It's redundant, anyway; it's not as if the selectors could have replaced all of those players with better ones.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

apart from Jones and Giles i wouldn't say England were carrying anyone.

And Jones played a crucial innings in the first knock of the 4th Test, whilst Giles dismissed each of the Australian top 8 at least once. He also took wickets at crucial times. Whether or not those wickets came with good bowling is irrelevant really, because the fact is that they DID impact the series.

 

[Prince EWS]

Just because those players had a run of outs, doesn't mean the team was carrying them.

The same can be said for Bell, Giles and Jones, though.

It's redundant, anyway; it's not as if the selectors could have replaced all of those players with better ones.

And again...

 

[Top_Cat]

You're saying England had no way of replacing the team members they were 'carrying'?

Huh?

 

[Prince EWS]

You're saying England had no way of replacing the team members they were 'carrying'?

Huh?

They couldnt replace them with better ones, as you suggested.

 

[howardj]

well if you look back at that time selecting Lehmann as Waugh's replacement was the BEST option..

He may have been the most prolific batsman at that time, whether he was the best option is a matter of opinion.

 

[social]

They couldnt replace them with better ones, as you suggested.

Given the performances of Bell, Jones and a certain left-armer that wont be named (but whose record in his last 12 tests stands at 22 wickets @ 51.5), that's a little hard to believe.

 

[aussie]

He may have been the most prolific batsman at that time, whether he was the best option is a matter of opinion.

no seriously he was the best option to replace mark waugh at that time, just look back at the batsmen who were probably up for selection around then, lehmann was surely the best, opinion has nothing to do with it.

 

[Prince EWS]

Given the performances of Bell, Jones and a certain left-armer that wont be named (but whose record in his last 12 tests stands at 22 wickets @ 51.5), that's a little hard to believe.

Which players would have replaced Bell, Jones and Giles with, then?

I honestly dont think there was a better batsman than Bell, a better batsman/keeper than Jones or a better spinner than Giles in first class cricket at the time. Keep in mind that Thorpe retired BEFORE Bell began to fail.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Which players would have replaced Bell, Jones and Giles with, then?

I honestly dont think there was a better batsman than Bell, a better batsman/keeper than Jones or a better spinner than Giles in first class cricket at the time. Keep in mind that Thorpe retired BEFORE Bell began to fail.

On form, Collingwood would have been at least as good a bet as Bell in my mind. He's also a more experienced bowler. That said, I'm a big Bell fan.

Prior is a superior batsman to Jones IMO, but not as good a 'keeper as I'd like.

Giles is the best spin option at the moment though.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Back on topic now please.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Victoria and West Indies have agreed to have a twenty over slog each after the Windies got knocked over in their first innings. Well, that's what my uncle who's at the ground says.

 

[Josh]

Victoria and West Indies have agreed to have a twenty over slog each after the Windies got knocked over in their first innings. Well, that's what my uncle who's at the ground says.

Cool.

 

[cameeel]

Does anyone know who won the 20 over mini-game between the Vics and the Windies?

 

[greg]

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Prior is a superior batsman to Jones IMO, but not as good a 'keeper as I'd like.

Are you based in Trinidad and Tobago, or Sussex?

 

[Jono]

Does anyone know who won the 20 over mini-game between the Vics and the Windies?

Victoria.

http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/WI_IN_AUS/SCORECARDS/WI_VIC_13NOV2005.html

 

[howardj]

When is one of the moderators going to put up an "***Official*** South Africa in Australia" thread? The 1st Test is but a month away!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Are you based in Trinidad and Tobago, or Sussex?

Prior is far more composed than Jones. Stats also back my point, as outside of Test cricket, Jones averages a hundred every 16 innings. Prior averages one every 12 or so innings.

Prior converts 31% of his ventures past 50. Jones converts 24%. I'd back Prior to give me a score ahead of Jones of most days of the week.

 

[Jamee999]

You've answered your own question there, Howard, mate

 

[greg]

Prior is far more composed than Jones. Stats also back my point, as outside of Test cricket, Jones averages a hundred every 16 innings. Prior averages one every 12 or so innings.

Prior converts 31% of his ventures past 50. Jones converts 24%. I'd back Prior to give me a score ahead of Jones of most days of the week.

Just wondering where you'd seen him play, that's all.