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***Official*** West Indies in Australia 2015/16

Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
The most annoying thing is that WW would be posting positive things about Braithwaite and Bravo amongst all this shambles. I can still see it,
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Athlai said:
The most annoying thing is that WW would be posting positive things about Braithwaite and Bravo amongst all this shambles. I can still see it,
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Yep, right alongside conspiracy theories about Narine, claims that players who weren't available would've helped the team no end even though he kept calling for them to be dropped when they were playing, and randomly name-drops of young players who have played less than ten First Class games.
 
morgieb

morgieb

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Prince EWS said:
Yeah Chandrika aside none of those guys are individually terrible players. This team is much worse than the sum of its parts and as I pointed out earlier the parts aren't exactly great to begin with.
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The two main issues with the West Indies are (IMO):

1) Only Ramdin and Samuels offer genuine experience. And Samuels in particular doesn't strike me as a great leader. There's no-one to rally around, no-one to give Holder guidence whereas a couple of years ago you had Chanderpaul at least.
2) No out and out superstars. The West Indies of the 2000's probably had worse depth but at least they had the likes of Lara and Chanderpaul. Now though.....

Oversimplifed but that's part of the cause as you said.

IMO Johnson should replace Chandrika, Dowrich for Ramdin and Brathwaite for Gabriel. Other than that though they've pretty much got their Best XI....
 
Niall

Niall

International Coach
Flem274* said:
not sure what the west indies can do. this is about the best team they can realistically field. gayle cbf, pollard cbf, dwayne bravo cbf.

half the team can genuinely play but only one or two ever turn up in a test
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Russell cbf as well.

Agreed bar a past it Shiv, their really isn't much they can do really. I'd be tempted to bin Roach as his bowling was dire but he was actually one of their best bats. Samuels is a waste of time these days, doesn't care, can't bowl and a crap test batsman.

Whoever the reserve test batsman is pick him I would.

Braithwaite will come in for Gabriel next test, but they are doomed to slaughter.
 
morgieb

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Niall said:
Russell cbf as well.

Agreed bar a past it Shiv, their really isn't much they can do really. I'd be tempted to bin Roach as his bowling was dire but he was actually one of their best bats. Samuels is a waste of time these days, doesn't care, can't bowl and a crap test batsman.

Whoever the reserve test batsman is pick him I would.

Braithwaite will come in for Gabriel next test, but they are doomed to slaughter.
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Y'know, while I supported him getting dumped when he was, I do wonder in hindsight if that was the turning point for the West Indies. Even for the 12 months before his dropping while they were poor, they weren't ghastly like they are now. Was his dumping a sign towards the squad just not caring anymore?
 
Gnske

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Niall said:
Russell cbf as well.

Agreed bar a past it Shiv, their really isn't much they can do really. I'd be tempted to bin Roach as his bowling was dire but he was actually one of their best bats. Samuels is a waste of time these days, doesn't care, can't bowl and a crap test batsman.

Whoever the reserve test batsman is pick him I would.

Braithwaite will come in for Gabriel next test, but they are doomed to slaughter.
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Hope and Dowrich won't do any better tbh.

Which is fitting because WI haven't got a hope in hell.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
morgieb said:
The two main issues with the West Indies are (IMO):

1) Only Ramdin and Samuels offer genuine experience. And Samuels in particular doesn't strike me as a great leader. There's no-one to rally around, no-one to give Holder guidence whereas a couple of years ago you had Chanderpaul at least.
2) No out and out superstars. The West Indies of the 2000's probably had worse depth but at least they had the likes of Lara and Chanderpaul. Now though.....
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Isn't that a "why the team they are fielding is ****" rather than a "what is wrong with WI cricket in general"?
 
Hurricane

Hurricane

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Prince EWS said:
Yep, right alongside conspiracy theories about Narine, claims that players who weren't available would've helped the team no end even though he kept calling for them to be dropped when they were playing, and randomly name-drops of young players who have played less than ten First Class games.
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And also videos of age group phenoms who we would be seeing soon.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
morgieb said:
Meh, they kinda go hand in hand.
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How so? The problems of WI cricket go far deeper than just lack of experience and no genuine superstars though. That's just why the current XI are losing in 3 days, not why they look like they'll never be good for another decade - i.e. culture and instability.
 
Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
I mean the thing about this WI side is that the players aren't necessarily terrible, they just don't seem to be a team at all.
 
OverratedSanity

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Jono said:
Pretty funny that England lost to this mob though.
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Windies did play well that series though. It's not as though they don't have any talent at all. All of Roach, Braithwaite, Bravo, Blackwood, clearly have ability. But most of the team just cbf.
 
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