*Official* VB Series - Australia, India & Zimbabwe

[marc71178]

So what do you do when there's runs to get and no time to get them? Singles aren't gonna do it all the way, buddy.

15 off 13 balls with a relative weak batsman at the other end.

It's a no-brainer, push a single and you keep the strike!

 

[marc71178]

I don't mind Harvey either, but the fact is Watto is a better bowler than Harvey.

Oh really?

His career record doesn't suggest that to me, far from it in fact.

 

[marc71178]

So why did it turn out that Brett Lee needed to win the match with a slog?

Because Clarke got himself out stupidly when the run rate was nowhere near desparate.

Lee had to slog as there were just 3 balls to score 7 runs.

 

[marc71178]

Playing a ball on it's merits is what any good batsman will do in any low pressure situation.

Actually I'd say any good batsman would do that full stop.

Say you need 10 off the last over with 2 wickets left and you're the only recognised batsman left.

That's pretty high pressure, but do you try and slog the first ball because if it's a yorker?

 

[marc71178]

And Harvey isn't a patch on a real bowler. 0/68 and he's a good bowler? :rolleyes:

You couldn't be more true - playing against one of the best sets of batsmen who are all in extremely good form.

Clearly Watson (13 wickets @ 44.15 and eco of 4.86 when you remove matches against minnows) wouldn't concede runs of that magnitude.

He's never bowled 6 overs for 40, or 6 overs for 46, 5 overs for 46 or 10 overs for 72 has he?!

 

[marc71178]

And he very nearly lost it for us yesterday by giving India a truckload of runs (his last over goes for 22 and he's one of the best death bowlers?)

Funny, there was another player who nearly lost it for Australia as well by running one man out than playing a crazy shot that was unnecessary, what was his name and why aren't you attacking him?!

 

[marc71178]

Harvey has played 3 times as many ODIs. Watson has barely had enough time to adjust to the international scene. If you look at his first class and list a figures they're not too shabby.

Watson isn't even called on to bowl in every match - that's how good a bowler he is!

Oh, and a list A record of 34 matches in 52 games at an average of 39.32 and economy rate of 5.18 is what I'd call shabby!

 

[marc71178]

No one's saying he should be dropped, at least I'm not.
He was a replacement for Watson, and it doesnt mean he's going to be automatically dropped, of course not.

Of course not, because looking at it in one way, you could say that Watson's place in the team is more accurately taken by Clarke in terms of being a batsman who bowls.

 

[age_master]

Of course not, because looking at it in one way, you could say that Watson's place in the team is more accurately taken by Clarke in terms of being a batsman who bowls.

watsons an all rounder - not a batsman who bowls, though his batting has improved alot having had 12 months working on it without being able to bowl, but hes still a good bowler - 2/23 so far in his comback match, wickets of Love and Law from memory as well, solid stuff so far

 

[marc71178]

watsons an all rounder - not a batsman who bowls,

An Batsman who often doesn't get called on to bowl in matches is not an All Rounder.

He is a batsman who bowls (unless you're seriously suggesting you'd bowl him as a 5th bowler - thus bowling 10 overs)

If so, you are I'm afraid, seriously deluded.

 

[Gaijin-san]

Which was exactly my point, age master. He's getting there.

And Marc, stick it all in one post buddy.

As for the slogging a yorker, well it's not much of a yorker if you charge it, is it? :P

 

[Mister Wright]

There is no chance of him making the Australian team in the near future, especially not this summer. I quote The Courier Mail:

"It is too early to set a timeline for Watson's return to the Australian team as he can only bowl in six-over spurts and needs three days' rest in between bowling."

 

[Neil Pickup]

If he's an all-rounder, so's Rikki Clarke.

 

[Gaijin-san]

So howcome he was going to bowl 2 five over spells yesterday but for time constraints? And why is it that he said he will bowl today?

 

[marc71178]

As for the slogging a yorker, well it's not much of a yorker if you charge it, is it? :P

No, it's a major embarassment and a lost match through impetuosity.

 

[Gaijin-san]

You've completely missed my point.

 

[marc71178]

You've completely missed my point.

And you've missed (or rather not acknowledged since it would compel you to criticise Clarke) mine.

You even have the temerity to have a go at Harvey for "almost costing Australia the game" for one over (where neutrals suggest it was just one of those days where if luck had been with him he'd have picked up a couple of wickets) yet you overlook the fact that Clarke made 2 crucial errors that could've proved a lot more costly.

 

[age_master]

"It is too early to set a timeline for Watson's return to the Australian team as he can only bowl in six-over spurts and needs three days' rest in between bowling."

he wont make the Aussie team again till next season i dont think

and marc - have you seen watson bowl much (or bat much??)??

hes not bowled in only 2 ODI's - one of which Pakistan were bwoled out for 117 in 32 overs and the other they lost - the targe was chased down in 40 overs on a spinning pitch.

this guys a true all rounder, good bowler and good batsman

 

[Gaijin-san]

My point in the first place was that Watson should come in for Harvey. Then people started saying that we would be replacing a bowling allrounder with a batting allrounder (which is bull because Watto is genuine, maybe his limited overs stats don't suggest it but that just means you should watch him and see). Nevertheless, When Watson pulled out of the World Cup, Harvey, a bowling allrounder, was a replacement for Watson. Yes, the tables are turned. So it's been done before and obviously the high ups in the Australian camp prefer Watson to Harvey. You simply can't argue with that.

 

[marc71178]

hes not bowled in only 2 ODI's - one of which Pakistan were bwoled out for 117 in 32 overs and the other they lost - the targe was chased down in 40 overs on a spinning pitch.

this guys a true all rounder, good bowler and good batsman

Right, so that explains how his average against the major nations is well in excess of 40 does it?

His List A average is round about the level of Rikki Clarke...

That is NOT a good all-rounder.