***Official*** VB Series 2006

[Jono]

I'm not going to get into an argument of Australia vs. rest of the world, but how could you possibly claim that Jayawardene's actions were worse than Slater's?

Slater probably did catch the ball, though as usual it wasn't obvious on the replay. Dravid held his ground just like Ponting did. However unlike Jayawardene, Slats went right up to Dravid's face, pointed at him and point blank abused him. He's apologised for it now and has admitted to being embarassed over his actions, but how you can claim that Jayawardene showing disappointment over the catch and shaking his head at the decision is worse than Slater abusing the batsman is beyond me.

Mind you I love Slats and think he's a great guy, probably my favourite commentator going around. But what he did was wrong.

 

[social]

I'm not going to get into an argument of Australia vs. rest of the world, but how could you possibly claim that Jayawardene's actions were worse than Ponting's?

Slater probably did catch the ball, though as usual it wasn't obvious on the replay. Dravid held his ground just like Ponting did. However unlike Jayawardene, Slats went right up to Dravid's face, pointed at him and point blank abused him. He's apologised for it now and has admitted to being embarassed over his actions, but how you can claim that Jayawardene showing disappointment over the catch and shaking his head at the decision is worse than Slater abusing the batsman is beyond me.

Mind you I love Slats and think he's a great guy, probably my favourite commentator going around. But what he did was wrong.

Slater's reaction after the event was deplorable, Jayawardene's attempt to claim the "catch" was every bit as bad.

IMO, Jayawardene's "catch" wasnt even close.

Coming on top of his "performance" in Adelaide, it left a bad feeling in a lot of people's mouthes.

Aus are targets for criticism because:

a. they're world champions;

b. they dish it out; and

c. they react badly to even the most innocent comment whether they're in the wrong or not.

However, it cant be a one-way street.

 

[howardj]

Does anybody remember the Caught-n-Bowled that Andy Bichel tried to claim, in an ODI, a couple of years ago? It was decidedly worse than Jayawardene's yesterday, which I still think the replays of are inconclusive.

 

[social]

Does anybody remember the Caught-n-Bowled that Andy Bichel tried to claim, in an ODI, a couple of years ago? It was decidedly worse than Jayawardene's yesterday, which I still think the replays of are inconclusive.

A fast bowler, running in at full bore and throwing a hand out, in no way compares to a fieldsman claiming a catch that clearly bounced several inches of him (replays were conclusive and embarrassing enough to provoke an official apology).

IMO, yesterday's incident was a disgrace and merely compounded his behaviour of a previous match.

 

[Jono]

You honestly reckon, looking at Jayawardene's reaction, you think he knew he didn't catch it but claimed it anyway?

I find that extremely hard to believe. Ganguly's catch in the WC final of 2003 is an example of a player claiming a catch they knew they didn't take. You look at their reaction. Mahela really thought he caught it. He was wrong and his post-decision reaction probably went a bit overboard (its alright to show disappointment though, which he did) and to label it a disgrace is hyperbole at best.

 

[luckyeddie]

I'm not going to get into an argument of Australia vs. rest of the world, but how could you possibly claim that Jayawardene's actions were worse than Slater's?

Social said that they were about the same, and you've interpreted that as suggesting that he's saying that it was worse.

IIRC, the following people over-reacted at the time (so you are not alone)...

Hoggy31
Zinzan12
Shounak
a10khan
JASON
Shaka
TheEpic

Apologies to any asshats who feel that I've left them out unfairly.

(Damn, I really AM defending Aussies this week. I must be more illerer than I thought).

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

The worst "catch" I've ever seen claimed is Roger Harper's against Australia on New Years Day 1995, by a mile and a half. He actually picked the ball up off the ground before he turned around to the umpire and claimed it. Bevan saw everything that happened perfectly and stood his ground after he was given out, and the third umpire was called, after which Harper looked like... well, a cheat.

I don't know if Jayawardene knew he didn't catch it or not, but I do think that he couldn't possibly have been certain that he did. If you aren't sure, you can appeal, but you certainly shouldn't react like he did when the batsman stands his ground.

 

[Jono]

Social said that they were about the same, and you've interpreted that as suggesting that he's saying that it was worse.

People still talk about the Slater "catch" and reaction in India years ago where this was infinitely worse.

Now have a read of that Eddie, and when you're done, read it again. In fact I'll just re-write it for you in big bold letters. "Infinitely worse." If you'd like me to define 'infinitely worse' for you, I will go ahead and do that. And after that, drop the smart *** comments and stereotyping me with the names you mentioned, and let me have a decent discussion with Social which was fine until you butted in. Whenever I've debated anything with him its been simple and polite, I don't need you to change that. Thank you.

 

[luckyeddie]

Now have a read of that Eddie, and when you're done, read it again. In fact I'll just re-write it for you in big bold letters. "Infinitely worse." If you'd like me to define 'infinitely worse' for you, I will go ahead and do that. And after that, drop the smart *** comments and stereotyping me with the names you mentioned, and let me have a decent discussion with Social which was fine until you butted in. Whenever I've debated anything with him its been simple and polite, I don't need you to change that. Thank you.

No, he's not suggesting that the reaction is infinitely worse, he's suggesting that this was quite obviously not out and the Slater one was.

This is the third time in less than a week that you have reacted to one of my comments in such an aggressive yet seemingly patronising way. I'm getting used to it by now.

This was the post of Social's I was referring to...

Slater's reaction after the event was deplorable, Jayawardene's attempt to claim the "catch" was every bit as bad.

IMO, Jayawardene's "catch" wasnt even close.

Coming on top of his "performance" in Adelaide, it left a bad feeling in a lot of people's mouthes.

Aus are targets for criticism because:

a. they're world champions;

b. they dish it out; and

c. they react badly to even the most innocent comment whether they're in the wrong or not.

However, it cant be a one-way street.

 

[Jono]

I'll make a deal with you, next time you make an inference that I'm part of a group of 'asshats' I'll reply with a smile

In specific reference to this issue, I haven't once criticised Ponting for not walking, he did the right thing and putting me in the same boat as Jason who clearly went over the top due to frustration (although it seems every series he thinks an umpire is biased) was quite unfair. All I did was claim that Slater's whole saga was far worse, and that Jayawardene didn't make as much of a kick and scream when the catch was given not out as some are insisting he did. He was clearly disappointed, and perhaps Atapattu went overboard in his discussions with the umpires. I also doubt Mahela was sure he didn't take the catch.

 

[luckyeddie]

I'll make a deal with you, next time you make an inference that I'm part of a group of 'asshats' I'll reply with a smile

In specific reference to this issue, I haven't once criticised Ponting for not walking, he did the right thing and putting me in the same boat as Jason who clearly went over the top due to frustration (although it seems every series he thinks an umpire is biased) was quite unfair. All I did was claim that Slater's whole saga was far worse, and that Jayawardene didn't make as much of a kick and scream when the catch was given not out as some are insisting he did. He was clearly disappointed, and perhaps Atapattu went overboard in his discussions with the umpires. I also doubt Mahela was sure he didn't take the catch.

I made it quite clear that I was reeling off a list of people who had over-reacted, then pointed out that you were not alone in doing so, but whereas theirs was a knee-jerk reaction, yours was measured. Seeing as the list was produced from memory, and I sure as hell wasn't going to waste my time sifting through the previous day's posts to check the names, and the fact that at the time I was suggesting that the reactions were indeed OTT, I felt totally justified in using the word 'asshat' - a word that has many meanings (see urban dictionary).

As for the rest of it......

 

[Pratters]

A simple incident of a batsman standing his ground till an umpire announces his decision creates so much reaction. Unnecessary IMO.

 

[Mister Wright]

Australia chop Dorey so he can play for Warriors

 

[marc71178]

A fast bowler, running in at full bore and throwing a hand out, in no way compares to a fieldsman claiming a catch that clearly bounced several inches of him

Especially when one is Australian and one playing against Australia.

 

[The Argonaut]

Jayawardene did not initially celebrate the way you would expect. The 2 fielders close to him thought that he had caught it. I think that he wasn't sure but went with it when everyone around him was celebrating. I don't think he was trying to cheat. He just went with the moment. It all got sorted out on the pitch so I don't expect that anything more will made of it.

The Bichel one was an absolute shocker. Thankfully it wasn't given out.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Jayawardene did not initially celebrate the way you would expect. The 2 fielders close to him thought that he had caught it. I think that he wasn't sure but went with it when everyone around him was celebrating. I don't think he was trying to cheat. He just went with the moment. It all got sorted out on the pitch so I don't expect that anything more will made of it.

The thing is, if he wasn't sure, he had every right to appeal for it. It's the umpires job to make a decision based on an appeal.

 

[luckyeddie]

The thing is, if he wasn't sure, he had every right to appeal for it. It's the umpires perogative to make a decision based on an appeal.

Call me old fashioned, but I always thought that's what umpires were there for - to adjudicate. There are some who would like to see them as little more than mobile sweater racks nowadays.

 

[Blaze]

Call me old fashioned, but I always thought that's what umpires were there for - to adjudicate. There are some who would like to see them as little more than mobile sweater racks nowadays.

Spot on.

 

[33/3from3.3]

hahaha twice they hit the stumps and 0 times they get a wicket

 

[Jono]

Poor Sanath. Bracken gets him again.

However Sanga and Atapattu have both been dropped. They should make Australia pay.