**Official**VB Series 2005 Australia,Pakistan,West Indies.

[Top_Cat]

They arent cheaters but the rub of the green generally goes with aussie when they are at home..

And that's different to any team at home, how?

 

[Zinzan]

And that's different to any team at home, how?

Its not. It just hurts more when Aust get a good one going their way because they are so good

 

[Mr Casson]

They arent cheaters but the rub of the green generally goes with aussie when they are at home..

If you think that then you've never seen replays from 15 years ago. Umpires often gave batsmen out when they were well in and not out when they were gone by a mile.

 

[Tim]

Well I read that last night Australian won their 17th World Series out of a possible 25.

Over the years unfortunately 1 team has always performed poorly. I'd agree that the Aus/NZ/S.A series was probably the most even i've seen during the last 5 or 6 years.

 

[Blaze]

If you think that then you've never seen replays from 15 years ago. Umpires often gave batsmen out when they were well in and not out when they were gone by a mile.

I am not talking about 15 years ago.. i am talking about the present

 

[Tim]

Aus/S.L & Eng 2 years ago was fairly even wasn't it?

 

[Mr Casson]

I am not talking about 15 years ago.. i am talking about the present

And I'm telling you that you don't realise how good you've got it at the present.

When there was no third umpire, there was hardly any pressure on the umpires to always be fair. That being the case, they often made howler decisions in favour of the Australians. These days, mistakes are far more easily exposed and the umpires put in the spotlight. There is an enormous amount of pressure for umpires to do the best job they can, and the most impartial job they can, lest they lose their job and their livelihood with it.

 

[Mr Casson]

Aus/S.L & Eng 2 years ago was fairly even wasn't it?

It was at times. It was a bit like the current South Africa/England series; one day a team would hammer the other, next time they'd get hammered themselves (well it was like that for Australia and Sri Lanka anyway). England did put up a good fight sometimes though.

 

[Blaze]

And I'm telling you that you don't realise how good you've got it at the present.

When there was no third umpire, there was hardly any pressure on the umpires to always be fair. That being the case, they often made howler decisions in favour of the Australians. These days, mistakes are far more easily exposed and the umpires put in the spotlight. There is an enormous amount of pressure for umpires to do the best job they can, and the most impartial job they can, lest they lose their job and their livelihood with it.

Ok thats kool but you didn't really need to tell me that.. i already knew. NZ were just as bad. e.g in the early 80s v.s WI

 

[Mr Casson]

Ok thats kool but you didn't really need to tell me that.. i already knew. NZ were just as bad. e.g in the early 80s v.s WI

You knew? So you complained in spite of the fact that you recognised things are getting better?

 

[Dasa]

You knew? So you complained in spite of the fact that you recognised things are getting better?

Just because things are getting better doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

 

[Mr Casson]

Just because things are getting better doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

I'm well aware of that, but Blaze is having a red-hot go at 'cheating' umpires even though he admits that things have been so much worse. I personally don't think that the umpires are the problem; they are professionals who undergo stringent regulations and if they cheated they'd be found out. If there are problems with the standard of umpiring, then that is a sign that we need either a change in the rules or more assistance for umpires to make the correct decisions.

 

[Blaze]

You knew? So you complained in spite of the fact that you recognised things are getting better?

I think you have misunderstood me. Maybe I should have mentioned the fact that I personally believe that the home team gets the rub of the green in any country not just australia.

 

[Pratters]

I suppose they meant that he could never play well at number 8 for Australia, and he didn't, really...

The fact that he played at that position means the Australian team management did find some logic in it.

 

[Blaze]

Its not. It just hurts more when Aust get a good one going their way because they are so good

Exactly

 

[deeps]

afridi must have been close to player of tournament?

avg of 38.50 with bat, 8th highest run scorer wtih 231 runs, wtih the highest strike rate, bowling avg of 34.5, 5th highest wicket taker and SR of 46.2

all rounder of the tournament?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

afridi must have been close to player of tournament?

avg of 38.50 with bat, 8th highest run scorer wtih 231 runs, wtih the highest strike rate, bowling avg of 34.5, 5th highest wicket taker and SR of 46.2

all rounder of the tournament?

I'd have him after Lee, McGrath, Clarke, Inzamam and Rana in terms of rating the best players of the series. Maybe even behind Razzaq as well.

He had a decent series, but he never turned any matches to Pakistan. When he batted well he got himself out before he could have a major impact on the match, and when he bowled well he was good but didn't change the course of the match like Rana, Lee and McGrath did... or even Collins.

 

[deeps]

he turned many matches my fixing up teh RR in the latter overs...razzaq usually finished off the job, but pakistan would always be requiring 6 or7 off an over, until 44 overs, afridi will come in, and then they need 4.5 an over, and then razzaq will finish it off

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

he turned many matches my fixing up teh RR in the latter overs...razzaq usually finished off the job, but pakistan would always be requiring 6 or7 off an over, until 44 overs, afridi will come in, and then they need 4.5 an over, and then razzaq will finish it off

He certainly looked like the MIGHT have done that at any point... but it only actually happened in one game.

 

[Duncan]

McGrath should have been player of the tournament, he never got hammered like Lee did in the second Pak vs Aus ODI.

Afridi averaged 38.5? Wow... he really has improved. He's been known for his inconsistency but this whole tournament he was consistent with his usual quick fire 20s and 30s and even a fifty against Australia.

Razzaq's bowling has improved a lot... almost to what it used to be. I was beginning to consider him as a specialist batsmen and a second string bowler.