No one says Pathan or for that matter Watson CAN'T be as good as Flintoff. But it is juz that it is more likely that they won't reach that level than it is that they will reach that level. Freddie has put in some amazing hardwork to be where he is. You must have seen his spells in India in the scorching sun and the time when he lost so much weight.Sanz said:
Thank you, the very point im trying to make as well. For some reason it seems England and the English are pronounced untouchable but the reality is the Australians have way more claim to that. People make comparisons all the time between the two teams but I don't really see the Aussies making it a point to shoot down ANY speculation. That is the envy im talking about and this sort of talk has only come about from the English since the Ashes win. Australia just killed the World XI...that is the best fact for anyone to point out.Sanz said:
KaZoH0lic said:
chalky said:
Sure that is a point. However, I'm not neccessarily talking about the match but in the reaction to the win. I revert to Sanz's question on how the English would have taken the victory if they were in the same seat as the Aussies and history tells me there would be a lot of hyperbole.Mister Wright said:
For starters, England wouldn't deserve to be in a position to play a World XI considering they haven't been dominating international teams in both forms of the game for close to a decade. Secondly, it isn't like Austrlalia have accepted the wins with saintly grace. Some of their celebrations in taking World XI wickets were more like a soccer game than a cricket match.KaZoH0lic said:
Well that is you opinion and I respect that. As for Freddie's bowling in India, I dont know which series you are talking about ? If you are talking about 2001 series then it was Winter time in India, hardly the scorching heat. I have watched Srinath or for that matter most Indian/Pakistani/SL bowlers bowl overs and overs in the same sun for years.honestbharani said:
The Australian team has never taken winning graciously. They go around saying "we're going to win this series to nil," "I'm going to target this player because they are weak," etc. Then when they do win they carry on about how great their players are, rarely giving a mention to the opposition. I think it's a touch hypocritical to be going around and giving it to the English for the way they have carried on after winning the Ashes. Afterall, they haven't had it for close to 2 decades. I'd like to see Australia's recation and Austrlians' recation if we were to win the Ashes after not winning the Ashes for another 2 decadesKaZoH0lic said:
yeah, but my point was Freddie never bowled more than 10 overs during the last 3 years before that tour (Something the commentators brought up often) and it was still hot at Mohali and somewhat hot at Eden. Only Bangalore was really cool with rain in the air. Obviously, these are just people's opinions vs others' opinions. There obviously is no way to be sure of who will be better than whom. But I think there is more chance of Pathan and WAtson not being as good as Freddie than the other way around. Of course, I wouldn't mind if they DID reach Freddie's levels, because more kwality all rounders (The kwe doesn't work on my keyboard, bear with me) the better cricket we will get.Sanz said:
Sorry, I didn't really start this debate.Mister Wright said:
You obviously don't know about what happened after Pak lost to INdia in Pak, or about what happened after INdia lost to Pak so many times in the past in India and in Pak.KaZoH0lic said:
Np. I was just responding to that one post.Sanz said:
Just letting you know, India and Pakistan haven't always been on the best of terms...KaZoH0lic said:
By the same token there are plenty of times where Australians have acknowledged them. Actually I haven't really ever heard them be negative. I was not speaking about the players themselves. I mean't the media/fans when I implied the English/England.Mister Wright said:
