BeeGee
International Captain
Hopefully SL will be able to put up a decent score now. This series desperately needs a competitive game.
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***Official*** Sri Lanka in New Zealand 2015
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Moss
International Captain
Yeah, this needed to be pointed out. I'm thrilled by what he's achieved and do believe he'll go on to be remembered as one of the defining players of his generation, but..well, end up wishing for a little self-regulation from some of the KW-centric posting here. IIRC it was only this year when a consensus was seemingly reached on whether he definitely belonged in the all time NZ XI.
For those who feel it matters, there's only one player in my book who would make it to an Oceania all time XI, and that's Hadlee. There's shouldn't be any disgrace in this from a NZ POV; never mind an assembly line of quality players, Australia's lengthy history and perennial drawcard status (longer and more frequent test tours) give them the benefit. Cairns (and possibly even JR Reid) is a very good shout for the allrounder role but Keith Miller has that just about covered. Martin Crowe minus the dodgy knee and poor start in tests is a case of what might have been. Statistically the rest don't measure up except for the Dempster/Donnelly/Bond types, not enough tests.
Interestingly someone brought up Victor Trumper, and if so I raise you Glenn Turner. Based on whatever I've heard from cricket-mad people of my dad's generation, Turner seems to be regarded in a similar sort of cult-hero way to Trumper (I could put this down to Turner's Indian connection among other things).
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Moss
International Captain
Maybe they've decided on Henry as backup for the Tim Southee role, for the time being (swing-from-the-hip batting? check!). Looks like McCleneghan or Bracewell are preferred for the third seamer role (also Milne, if they decide to go back to the World Cup lineup). While Henry deserves to play more, I'm happy if this is the thinking behind dividing him between list A and national duty. Would much rather see him grow as a new ball specialist and slowly acquire more limited-over-tricks a la Boult.
Skyliner
International 12th Man
Nah, the over-hype (if it is that) didn't originate here. The stories about Alan Border choosing Kane to bat for his life above all others, 'Williamson is better than Bradman', Williamson (may be) the new Tendulkar.....all these stories are coming from the media.
Posters should be allowed to report that these things are being said. Don't shoot the messenger. As soon as someone mentioned the Bradman article, it was taken as the poster is saying Williamson is better than Bradman. That's wrong.
I think NZ posters get nervous that they'll be a backlash from posters from other nations if they state what is being said by the media of those nations. Weird. The 'Williamson is better than Bradman' thing came from the Aussie media.
AB rates Williamson above the rest | cricket.com.au
Former Australia captain Allan Border rates Kane Williamson ahead of AB de Villiers, Steve Smith and David Warner.
Williamson better than Bradman?
Better than Bradman?
Modest New Zealand No.3 Kane Williamson would never say it.
But the Black Caps inspiration could justify the remarkable claim after an unprecedented 12-month scoring spree.
Kane Williamson joins Sachin Tendulkar, Don Bradman, Alastair Cook in distinguished record - Latest Cricket News, Articles & Videos at CricketCountry.com
The next Tendulkar : Kohli or Kane Williamson?
Is Kane Williamson the new Sachin Tendulkar? - Worldnews.com
BeeGee
International Captain
Glenn Turner was amazing. He did things I'd never seen batsmen do before. He invented the tactic in ODIs of deliberately chipping good deliveries over the infield as an easy scoring option. It used to drive the opposition captains nuts seeing good balls chipped just over the infield for two runs. And if they pushed the field back to stop him, he'd just switch to pushing singles along the ground instead. And of course, the two double tons he scored opening the batting on a tour of the West Indies are legendary. He was a bit of a sporting hero of mine, growing up.
People used to criticise him for his slow strike rate, so towards the end of his career he started to up his scoring rate. Then people started complaining he was throwing his wicket away. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Well McCullum said Cook was this generations Bradman, didn't make it any more true. With respect most of those links aren't exactly distinguished cricketing sources either.
The KW hype has been going here for well over a year. He is a great player, but he isn't a tier ahead of anyone else in the world.
The KW hype has been going here for well over a year. He is a great player, but he isn't a tier ahead of anyone else in the world.
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Skyliner
International 12th Man
Your comment re McCullum / Cook does not really relate to what AB stated.
Q) Is it true that AB said that he'd have Kane Williamson bat for his life? A) Yes, yes it is.
I therefore think that we have to take the man at his word, and his statement is therefore true. He would know better than anyone else who he would have bat for his life.
"Of all the gun batsmen going around, he would be the one I'd choose to bat for my life," Border told foxsports.com.au.
"Over AB de Villiers, in front of Steve Smith, in front of Warner, in front of all of them".
The links regarding Tendulkar / Williamson, I'll give you that to an extent. But the other links are 'distinguished' - if that's the right word - in that they are from Cricket AU and NineMSN websites, and here's 2 more from The SMH and The Daily Mail.
AB rates Williamson above the rest | cricket.com.au
Williamson better than Bradman?
Williamson better than Bradman?
Williamson could bat for my life: Border | Daily Mail Online
It may pain many posters that the media - mainly Aussie media - are producing stories which 'over-hype' Williamson, but rather than being an ostrich about it why not simply acknowledge that it's happening.
I'd like to see the posts where anyone stated that it was their personal opinion that Williamson was "miles ahead" of Smith, Warner, Root et al.
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+1. He was the dominant test batsman in the NZ side after his test apprenticeship on the 69-70 tour to Eng + Ind + Pak, up to the 76-77 tour to Ind + Pak (apart from a lean spell on the 73 Eng tour). Was a shame he wasn't in many test match winning teams, as he chose not to play test cricket for NZ from 78-82 when Richard Hadlee was hitting his prime years.
Most Kiwis don't realise the impact he made on the English FC scene. He was always one of the highest scoring openers at first class level (FC averages from 1970 to 1982: 61,41,51,67,60,56,50,41,55,57,58,55,90 !), and then from the late 70s changed the way he played the limited over game, showed you didn't need to be a power hitter to score quickly.
I didn't start watching cricket until 79-80 season, so was pleased that I had a chance to see him (on TV) in 82-83 when he returned to the NZ ODI side and played some excellent innings against Aust and Eng. Still recall radio commentators discussing his chipping over the infield for a succession of 2's on the big Aussie grounds.
Q) Is it true that McCullum called Cook 'our generations Bradman' Q) Yes, yes it is.
Also I don't really get the point? Some in Aussie media are making stupid comparisons to Bradman about KW because he is in a supreme purple patch (like Cook was going into NZ away tour) so what? They have started doing it in the last 2 months, the hype around KW has been big on here for 12 months at least.
Needing to have verbatim quotes of people calling KW much better than Smith is a little bit disingenuous, the sheer weight of posting is enough of a clue we aren't children. We have a 25 page average thread about KW's average, despite his average being lower than many other top batsmen currently playing.
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Moss
International Captain
Not happening this time. But yeah, would like to see NZ made to chase a big-ish total.
KW captains as expected. How ironic if BMac has ruined his home farewell with that diving effort.
kiwiviktor81
International Debutant
He only played 41 matches. If Bond can't make an Oceania XI because he played too few matches it's fair to say that Turner can't make the NZ ODI ATG XI.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Yes, because the competition for fast bowlers in an Oceania XI is comparable to that for openers in an NZ XI...
Meridio
International Regular
Look I won't hear a word against Kaney Waney. He will average more than Smith and Root combined, pick up a nice 200 wickets at 35, captain NZ to a World Cup triumph, play some football in his spare time and get NZ through to the next World Cup, replace Richie McCaw as All Black captain, sing the next World Cup theme song, star in a feature film, eliminate ISIS, cure cancer AND bring balance to the Force (with the surprise twist that KW is Rey's father).
So all you negative Nancy's just need to pipe down.
So all you negative Nancy's just need to pipe down.
