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simmy

International Regular
I'm not sure of the need for Plunkett with Hoggard in the team, despite the fact he bowled the most unlucky spell in the history of test cricket!
 

Autobahn

State 12th Man
simmy said:
I'm not sure of the need for Plunkett with Hoggard in the team, despite the fact he bowled the most unlucky spell in the history of test cricket!
Who's at number 8 then? Hoggard just hasn't got the skill for a number 8.

Plunkett's seemed to have fitted into a giles sort of role down the order.

The problem arrives when Jones and Harmison are back is plunkett's batting enough to keep him in the team when stacked against the bowling of these two?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
For all I have heard about Plunkett's batting being a factor, his figures so far in Tests hardly look inspiring. Do you expect a turnaround in the near future, until Giles returns?

Anyway, once Giles returns, it will be Mahmood over Plunkett, but even otherwise, Mahmood's performance makes him a good alternative to Harmison, who will have to work hard to hold his place in the team.

Even as ODI's happen later on, I'd like to know. Why is one of the best swing bowlers in Test cricket today not leading the ODI attack? Hoggard may have his problems in ODI's, but he's miles ahead of those ODI specialists who bowl utter rubbish and leave the rest to pitches and the batting side.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
Even as ODI's happen later on, I'd like to know. Why is one of the best swing bowlers in Test cricket today not leading the ODI attack? Hoggard may have his problems in ODI's, but he's miles ahead of those ODI specialists who bowl utter rubbish and leave the rest to pitches and the batting side.
Did you care to watch the Indian one day series, he got carted around like no one’s business, his nothing but cannon fodder in the one day arena. Even Kabir Ali looked more potent than Hoggard.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
TT Boy said:
Did you care to watch the Indian one day series, he got carted around like no one’s business, his nothing but cannon fodder in the one day arena. Even Kabir Ali looked more potent than Hoggard.
That happens once in a while, but the likes of Anderson and Kabir Ali always get carted around by teams that matter and are only lucky to pick up wickets in between. Hoggard is one of the top Test bowlers and not without reason, so why can't he play in ODI's? And what form issues exist?
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Arjun said:
That happens once in a while, but the likes of Anderson and Kabir Ali always get carted around by teams that matter and are only lucky to pick up wickets in between. Hoggard is one of the top Test bowlers and not without reason, so why can't he play in ODI's? And what form issues exist?
Anderson doesn't always get carted. And at least Kabir does bowl the odd wicket ball, he got a few decent nuts in India. Hoggy went at 7/over at least, and got no wickets. I can't explain it, but he's just rubbish in ODIs, for whatever reason.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
That happens once in a while, but the likes of Anderson and Kabir Ali always get carted around by teams that matter and are only lucky to pick up wickets in between.
Come again?
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Arjun said:
For all I have heard about Plunkett's batting being a factor, his figures so far in Tests hardly look inspiring. Do you expect a turnaround in the near future, until Giles returns?

Anyway, once Giles returns, it will be Mahmood over Plunkett, but even otherwise, Mahmood's performance makes him a good alternative to Harmison, who will have to work hard to hold his place in the team.

Even as ODI's happen later on, I'd like to know. Why is one of the best swing bowlers in Test cricket today not leading the ODI attack? Hoggard may have his problems in ODI's, but he's miles ahead of those ODI specialists who bowl utter rubbish and leave the rest to pitches and the batting side.
You seem to be looking at the bowling figures without actually having followed the game, Plunkett bowled better than Mahmood, but Mahmood got all the luck and Plunkett got no luck. So I don't see how it would be Mahmood over Plunkett when Plunkett bowled better (especially if you look at it through the team perspective) is a better batsman and a better fielder.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
When i saw them both on Saturday i must say i thought neither of them were Test class. It souunds as if Plunkett has showed far better form since then but as i dont have sky i havnt been able to see it. Mahmood was increadibly lucky and was actualy pretty poor, he has pace and thats about it. Anderson is clearly a lot better than both and i think Tremlett is as well.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Pothas said:
When i saw them both on Saturday i must say i thought neither of them were Test class. It souunds as if Plunkett has showed far better form since then but as i dont have sky i havnt been able to see it. Mahmood was increadibly lucky and was actualy pretty poor, he has pace and thats about it. Anderson is clearly a lot better than both and i think Tremlett is as well.
Isn't Tremlett currently crocked?
 

simmy

International Regular
Pothas said:
When i saw them both on Saturday i must say i thought neither of them were Test class. It souunds as if Plunkett has showed far better form since then but as i dont have sky i havnt been able to see it. Mahmood was increadibly lucky and was actualy pretty poor, he has pace and thats about it. Anderson is clearly a lot better than both and i think Tremlett is as well.
Mahmood bowled an awful lot of wide half-trackers.

He was the only one with pace though.. and was very useful just for that. Flintoff never got the ball above 85mph and it was driving me mental as no team, especially Asian sides will like it.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
luckyeddie said:
I remind you that this is is only the start of the summer - Scrabble Boy has got six more test matches and an entire World Cup to whine about.
Why would he moan about the World Cup when we're the second best ODI side?...
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
JASON said:
With Harmison expected to return and Edgbaston likely to be a seamer friendly pitch , Monty most likeliest to face the chop followed by Plunkett perhaps in favour of the Unlucky Jon Lewis ... do you reckon ..
Won't see both IMO - can't trust any of the 4 left at number 8.

If Monty is dropped, then it's either Udal, Loudon or Bell.
 

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
Saw this brilliant article by Andrew Miller on Mahela J.

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/topperformer/content/story/247436.html

I thought this quote from Guardian's David Hopps was superb :laugh: -
"Test cricket provided its own proof yesterday that the world has reached its tipping point, the stage at which global warming causes it to behave in an increasingly haphazard fashion. Ice sheets are melting, deforestation is causing a Japanese chopstick crisis but none of this remotely compares with the extraordinary manner in which Sri Lanka saved the Lord's Test." :laugh: The Guardian's resident Lanka-phile, David Hopps, rubs his eyes in amazement.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
marc71178 said:
Why would he moan about the World Cup when we're the second best ODI side?...
It was the footy WC I was referring to - a team of half-wits and 31 teams of foreigners.

(shudder)
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Kweek said:
Why would you drop Panesar? when's he's doing so well?
Because he can't bat and if it doesn't spin, he's hardly going to be used. The only reason to drop Panesar at the moment would be for a seam bowler. I don't see why they would though, as Liam Plunkett shouldn't get near the Test team again for a while.
 

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