Who's at number 8 then? Hoggard just hasn't got the skill for a number 8.simmy said:I'm not sure of the need for Plunkett with Hoggard in the team, despite the fact he bowled the most unlucky spell in the history of test cricket!
He told me he was going to do that too.a massive zebra said:Basically he just plagiarised what I said yesterday.
Did you care to watch the Indian one day series, he got carted around like no one’s business, his nothing but cannon fodder in the one day arena. Even Kabir Ali looked more potent than Hoggard.Arjun said:Even as ODI's happen later on, I'd like to know. Why is one of the best swing bowlers in Test cricket today not leading the ODI attack? Hoggard may have his problems in ODI's, but he's miles ahead of those ODI specialists who bowl utter rubbish and leave the rest to pitches and the batting side.
That happens once in a while, but the likes of Anderson and Kabir Ali always get carted around by teams that matter and are only lucky to pick up wickets in between. Hoggard is one of the top Test bowlers and not without reason, so why can't he play in ODI's? And what form issues exist?TT Boy said:Did you care to watch the Indian one day series, he got carted around like no one’s business, his nothing but cannon fodder in the one day arena. Even Kabir Ali looked more potent than Hoggard.
Anderson doesn't always get carted. And at least Kabir does bowl the odd wicket ball, he got a few decent nuts in India. Hoggy went at 7/over at least, and got no wickets. I can't explain it, but he's just rubbish in ODIs, for whatever reason.Arjun said:That happens once in a while, but the likes of Anderson and Kabir Ali always get carted around by teams that matter and are only lucky to pick up wickets in between. Hoggard is one of the top Test bowlers and not without reason, so why can't he play in ODI's? And what form issues exist?
Come again?Arjun said:That happens once in a while, but the likes of Anderson and Kabir Ali always get carted around by teams that matter and are only lucky to pick up wickets in between.
You seem to be looking at the bowling figures without actually having followed the game, Plunkett bowled better than Mahmood, but Mahmood got all the luck and Plunkett got no luck. So I don't see how it would be Mahmood over Plunkett when Plunkett bowled better (especially if you look at it through the team perspective) is a better batsman and a better fielder.Arjun said:For all I have heard about Plunkett's batting being a factor, his figures so far in Tests hardly look inspiring. Do you expect a turnaround in the near future, until Giles returns?
Anyway, once Giles returns, it will be Mahmood over Plunkett, but even otherwise, Mahmood's performance makes him a good alternative to Harmison, who will have to work hard to hold his place in the team.
Even as ODI's happen later on, I'd like to know. Why is one of the best swing bowlers in Test cricket today not leading the ODI attack? Hoggard may have his problems in ODI's, but he's miles ahead of those ODI specialists who bowl utter rubbish and leave the rest to pitches and the batting side.
Isn't Tremlett currently crocked?Pothas said:When i saw them both on Saturday i must say i thought neither of them were Test class. It souunds as if Plunkett has showed far better form since then but as i dont have sky i havnt been able to see it. Mahmood was increadibly lucky and was actualy pretty poor, he has pace and thats about it. Anderson is clearly a lot better than both and i think Tremlett is as well.
Mahmood bowled an awful lot of wide half-trackers.Pothas said:When i saw them both on Saturday i must say i thought neither of them were Test class. It souunds as if Plunkett has showed far better form since then but as i dont have sky i havnt been able to see it. Mahmood was increadibly lucky and was actualy pretty poor, he has pace and thats about it. Anderson is clearly a lot better than both and i think Tremlett is as well.
hes pretty much always crocked but still betterTT Boy said:Isn't Tremlett currently crocked?
Why would he moan about the World Cup when we're the second best ODI side?...luckyeddie said:I remind you that this is is only the start of the summer - Scrabble Boy has got six more test matches and an entire World Cup to whine about.
Won't see both IMO - can't trust any of the 4 left at number 8.JASON said:With Harmison expected to return and Edgbaston likely to be a seamer friendly pitch , Monty most likeliest to face the chop followed by Plunkett perhaps in favour of the Unlucky Jon Lewis ... do you reckon ..
He's been playing hasn't he?TT Boy said:Isn't Tremlett currently crocked?
It was the footy WC I was referring to - a team of half-wits and 31 teams of foreigners.marc71178 said:Why would he moan about the World Cup when we're the second best ODI side?...
Because he can't bat and if it doesn't spin, he's hardly going to be used. The only reason to drop Panesar at the moment would be for a seam bowler. I don't see why they would though, as Liam Plunkett shouldn't get near the Test team again for a while.Kweek said:Why would you drop Panesar? when's he's doing so well?