wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, I'd like to see him find some middle ground between not bowling at all, which helped SA's last 4 wickets treble their team's 1st innings score, and what we've seen today & in SA's 2nd innings at Old Trafford.
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*Official* South African tour of England and Ireland 2022
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grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It is a bit reminescent of Flintoff shortening his career to be brave, but hey we'll see.
Umm Lees you are a lucky boy, but not an england opener.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Yes, I made the same comparison during his marathon spell in the 2nd test. I think Fred's pointless heroics were during the 1st test against SL in 2006, but anyway.
Obviously you're dead right about Lees. And do we really need to risk a run-out?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
England batting faster than Pakistan in this innings.
are you furious south africa lost the series like this
Heboric
International Regular
Dont mind losing, but showing no fight and doing the same dumb things over and over
RootingforEngland
Cricket Spectator
I reckon 5 day test cricket will be finished within 5 years. They might keep 2 or 3 select series at 5 days for a bit longer, but I'd guess the Ashes will be down to 4 days by the end of the decade if the changes aren't even bigger than that. I don't think the players are interested in playing 5 days any more.
RootingforEngland
Cricket Spectator
You say that but I don't ever remember a test match like this, almost finished in 2 days. Maybe a couple of times on a pitch that's an absolute minefield (I think there was one mid 90s at edgbaston against WIndies), but not because the players just stand there and try to slog it and then hardly even look bothered when they're out. This isn't a test match, it's a farce.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
You're right about Edgbaston vs WI. And I'd forgotten all about it; 173 overs across 2 and a bit days in 1995.
ENG vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Birmingham, July 06 - 08, 1995
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Of course, the test that was actually finished in 2 days was against the same opposition at Leeds, five years later.
That being said, I really don't think that accusation can be levelled at SA in this test. Maybe one or two exceptions, but most of the dismissals have not been down to being over-aggressive. Nor, for the most part, England, although some of them have been.
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andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
I have a hunch that there might be another example or two from those late 90s early 2000s ashes where Australia would retain the urn in roughly 10 days of actual cricket.You're right about Edgbaston vs WI. And I'd forgotten all about it; 173 overs across 2 and a bit days in 1995.
ENG vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Birmingham, July 06 - 08, 1995
Get cricket scorecard of 3rd Test, ENG vs WI, West Indies tour of England 1995 at Edgbaston, Birmingham dated July 06 - 08, 1995.
Of course, the test that was actually finished in 2 days was against the same opposition at Leeds, five years later.
That being said, I really don't think that accusation can be levelled at SA in this test. Maybe one or two exceptions, but most of the dismissals have not been down to being over-aggressive. Nor, for the most part, England, although some of them have been.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
I think you're right, but I don't think any of those matches were closer to 2 days than 3 days. The one I do remember was SA beating Zim in 2 days after the latter had lost most of their good players. Zim were skittled for not a lot, batting first and SA set up up a huge lead in no time at all before bowling them out for a 2nd time. It felt as if SA were making a point, and quite rightly too.
RootingforEngland
Cricket Spectator
I've not watched most of it, but I did see some of the play during England's 1st innings collapse after tea and I thought it was awful. We've all seen worse collapses in terms of runs for wickets, but Brook's shot (no doubt under instruction) was just shocking, as yet again was the captain's innings.You're right about Edgbaston vs WI. And I'd forgotten all about it; 173 overs across 2 and a bit days in 1995.
ENG vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Birmingham, July 06 - 08, 1995
Get cricket scorecard of 3rd Test, ENG vs WI, West Indies tour of England 1995 at Edgbaston, Birmingham dated July 06 - 08, 1995.
Of course, the test that was actually finished in 2 days was against the same opposition at Leeds, five years later.
That being said, I really don't think that accusation can be levelled at SA in this test. Maybe one or two exceptions, but most of the dismissals have not been down to being over-aggressive. Nor, for the most part, England, although some of them have been.
Re my find of that 95 game, I managed to find an England tail yesterday as well of:
Fraser (ave 7)
Watkin (ave 5)
Such (ave 6)
Malcolm (ave 6)
80s/90s are my sweet spot!!
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
The fact that England are coasting this last innings makes it so much worse for SA. They have given up.
RootingforEngland
Cricket Spectator
It was a shame about Zimbabwe cricket though, they'd been building a really competitive side iirc.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Can't blame the bowlers. South Africa were 80 for 1, they had a platform, and the bowlers did their job this morning keeping the lead down.