***Official*** South Africa v West Indies

[BoyBrumby]

Ah, the joy of wickets with rank full-tosses! Neonarine serves up a help yourself & Langeveldt obligingly smacks it down Hinds's throat at short extra cover!

The follow-on to follow one assumes.

 

[Adamc]

What is the news on Lara and the other guys returning? I think it could prop the Windies big time if they can somehow hang on and win this test (and, hopefully, the series)


Hinds
Gayle
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Browne
King
Collins
Powell
some other bowler


that side looks good, if Hinds and the bowlers can keep their form up.

Looks good - I would put Ryan Hinds in there at no. 6 to prevent WI from having a really long tail, as both King and Collins are no. 11's, not sure how good Powell is with the bat. That would give them four frontline seamers and a couple of part-time spinners - about the best WI can hope for at the moment, given that the selectors are loath to try any specialist spin bowlers.

 

[honestbharani]

Looks good - I would put Ryan Hinds in there at no. 6 to prevent WI from having a really long tail, as both King and Collins are no. 11's, not sure how good Powell is with the bat. That would give them four frontline seamers and a couple of part-time spinners - about the best WI can hope for at the moment, given that the selectors are loath to try any specialist spin bowlers.

maybe Hinds can come in at 6 and Bravo at 7 as the fourth seamer?

 

[Adamc]

maybe Hinds can come in at 6 and Bravo at 7 as the fourth seamer?

Yep, sorry didn't make it clear, but that's what I meant, put Hinds at 6 and push everyone else down one spot.

Follow-on enforced, 355 runs behind, RSA will have their work cut out if the rains stays away. Probably about 166 overs left in the match, they will have to survive at least 120 IMO if they have a chance of drawing. Massive ask, even if a few batsmen hit form.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Neonarine

D-.

 

[BoyBrumby]

D-.

Yeah, sorry. One eye (& ear) on the telly!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I'd not bring in Bravo at all. He's not played enough quality cricket lately. If possible I would give him a go in the game between the 2nd and 3rd Test, but I'd be more inclined to bring in a specialist bowler, possibly a spinner for T&T.

A win here will make selection for the next Test very interesting indeed; there may be no place for Bravo with the three seamers all doing very well here.

It won't take a win to make selection difficult. The team has already given a fine account of itself. For the first time I can remember (ie as long as I've been watching closely) against a quality team, the West Indies could put together 4 consecutive days in full control of a match.

 

[Chubb]

Surely you should keep Pagon on after that lovely cameo?

 

[Adamc]

Surely you should keep Pagon on after that lovely cameo?

Probably - I didn't see the innings so I don't know why it is being rated so highly, but certainly if there is something worth persisting with then he should be considered. The problem is, if you leave out Bravo, WI only have three proper bowlers, and though they've done well this time round, they can't be expected to consistently bowl sides out. Like Liam I would like to see a specialist spinner in the side, but the selectors are disinclined to agree.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

How good is Washington? Is he worth a go in the second test? He's got a pretty impressive FC record, and I gather he's quick.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Surely you should keep Pagon on after that lovely cameo?

Ahead of Gayle, Sarwan and Lara? You amuse me.

 

[Chubb]

Instead of Deonarine?

Gayle
Hinds
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
Pagon
Browne
Specialist Spinner
King
Collins
Powell

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

How good is Washington? Is he worth a go in the second test? He's got a pretty impressive FC record, and I gather he's quick.

I think I've sounded off sufficiently on him, so I'll just summarize - he chucks.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I think I've sounded off sufficiently on him, so I'll just summarize - he chucks.

Ahh, I see. Well given the current rules he could get one game in at least, since he can't be called for it any more.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Instead of Deonarine?

Gayle
Hinds
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
Pagon
Browne
Specialist Spinner
King
Collins
Powell

So you drop the man who scored 48 and can bowl for a man who scored 35 and can't?
Please enlighten me.

 

[Chubb]

Alright.
I shouldn't be posting here- I don't know enough about the West Indies. I just thought that Pagon had shown something special...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Alright.
I shouldn't be posting here- I don't know enough about the West Indies. I just thought that Pagon had shown something special...

I agree. Very talented. He is 22 years old. Much time ahead of him. Ryan Hinds has earned his place more IMO. He deserves a fairly consistent run in the side.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I agree. Very talented. He is 22 years old. Much time ahead of him. Ryan Hinds has earned his place more IMO. He deserves a fairly consistent run in the side.

So, you think five batsmen, Hinds, Browne, a spinner and three pacers? Are there any quality spinners in the West Indies at the moment who could come in?

 

[Scaly piscine]

So you drop the man who scored 48 and can bowl for a man who scored 35 and can't?
Please enlighten me.

Without seeing anything and going off stats... Pagon came in at 24-2, R Hinds at 390-4. Also R Hind's Test record so far is ordinary(26 batting average 74 bowling average).

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Without seeing anything and going off stats... Pagon came in at 24-2, R Hinds at 390-4. Also R Hind's Test record so far is ordinary(26 batting average 74 bowling average).

Hinds has not gotten a consistent run in the Test side in his career as of yet. He has good technique and is in form. I see no justification to give Pagon a run ahead of him. He averages over 37 in non-Test FC matches and has been one of the more consistent players in domestic cricket.

Pagon only got his FC average over 30 this season, meaning he has really had one good season.