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*Official* South Africa Tour of Sri Lanka 2018

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Stefan9

International Debutant
Steyn has looked ok. He obviously needs overs to get back to somewhere close to his best.

The bowling has been ok.

We can argue forever whether extra spinners would have made a big difference.

The issue is the batting. If you can't even make 150 you aren't getting close to winning any game.
 
Maximas

Maximas

Cricketer Of The Year
Mr Miyagi said:
Will Lakmal give Mathews the most meaningless test century scored this year or declare?
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As SL bat on the pitch gets worse, as does SA's mental state, and Matthews/Silva and perhaps later Dickwella get a chance to play themselves into some form.

The real question is whether or not he'll give himself a bowl later
 
Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

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Mr Miyagi said:
Hmmm. I think Steve Smith proved himself to be a dynamo in India. Tbh, and I havn't looked at the scorecards, but I wouldn't be surprised if overall that the English batsmen (Cook, Stokes, Root et al) did better in India compared to Australias, but Australia's O'Keefe and Lyon did a better job than Adil and Moeen.

Yeah, looked at the scorecards, I am sure of it, England twice scored 400 or more only to lose by an innings.
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When you don't actually watch the cricket and look at the scorecards later, you are going to draw a lot of false conclusions. The India-England series of 2016 was played on absolute flat tracks as India, rather incorrectly were over cautious (having lost the 2012 home series to England) and England received a drubbing. Yeah England scored 400 every game but India scored 700.

The India-Australia series was played on rank turners as India were more confident (perhaps over confident) given their 4-0 rout of Australia in 2013 and the series wasn't decided until very late during the final Test match when Australia collapsed in the 2nd innings.

But even without all that, a 2-1 scoreline surely suggests more of a contest than a 4-0 scoreline?
 
Mr Miyagi

Mr Miyagi

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Black_Warrior said:
When you don't actually watch the cricket and look at the scorecards later, you are going to draw a lot of false conclusions.
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I watched a lot of both series too. But in no way would that even really change my conclusion to be honest.

Lyon is a much better spin bowler than Moeen or Adil. In fact, Lyon is very very good.

O'Keefe played a great first test.

English spin attack is questionable but their batsmen have been doing better than Australia's and now Safrica's in spin environments. I'm sticking with my conclusion. You havn't proven it false with India scoring 700, all you have said to me is that Moeen didn't cut it (the bowling as a whole, not the off spin delivery which he does cut).

And I don't mind you saying Aus 2-1 was closer than Eng 4-0, the scorecards tell me that much, no offence.

I was merely pointing out that Aus's bowlers kept them in the hunt with Smith, when England's spin bowlers couldn't get the job done even when their batsmen did better than Australia's.
 
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Mr Miyagi

Mr Miyagi

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Maximas said:
As SL bat on the pitch gets worse, as does SA's mental state, and Matthews/Silva and perhaps later Dickwella get a chance to play themselves into some form.

The real question is whether or not he'll give himself a bowl later
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I hope it rains for 2 days straight just to see if you still think this ;)

I don't really mind, Angelo is a fine player who has had plenty of misfortune in the past, but this is rather dull cricket as a neutral fan.
 
Howe_zat

Howe_zat

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What's the furthest into the innings an opening bowler has gone unchanged?

Maharaj currently on the 35th over of his new ball spell.
 
Bijed

Bijed

International Regular
From a stats POV, Maharaj is moving up this list. Doesn't at all to do justice to what he's done for his team in this match and I hope he can pick up some more wickets - another 3 would, I believe, give him SA's best match figures which I wouldn't begrudge him at all
 
Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Mr Miyagi said:
I watched a lot of both series too. But in no way would that even really change my conclusion to be honest.

Lyon is a much better spin bowler than Moeen or Adil. In fact, Lyon is very very good.

O'Keefe played a great first test.

English spin attack is questionable but their batsmen have been doing better than Australia's and now Safrica's in spin environments. I'm sticking with my conclusion. You havn't proven it false with India scoring 700, all you have said to me is that Moeen didn't cut it (the bowling as a whole, not the off spin delivery which he does cut).

And I don't mind you saying Aus 2-1 was closer than Eng 4-0, the scorecards tell me that much, no offence.

I was merely pointing out that Aus's bowlers kept them in the hunt with Smith, when England's spin bowlers couldn't get the job done even when their batsmen did better than Australia's.
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No what I said was that England scored 400 in conditions vastly different to what Australia faced and Australia still managed decent totals in a fair few games.
And if you watched the series then you would be aware that it wasn't just Smith but Maxwell, Handscombe and S Marsh who batted quite well.

There is nothing in the England side that suggests they can play spin better than those 4. Also, the original context of the post was England's tour of Sri Lanka later this year and Sri Lanka are not going to provide them flat decks that India did. They are probably going to provide them the conditions South Africa are getting now and Australia got in 2016.

When England faced rank turners, they could only manage a 1-1 against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have better spinners than Bangladesh.
 
Mr Miyagi

Mr Miyagi

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Black_Warrior said:
No what I said was that England scored 400 in conditions vastly different to what Australia faced and Australia still managed decent totals in a fair few games.
And if you watched the series then you would be aware that it wasn't just Smith but Maxwell, Handscombe and S Marsh who batted quite well.

There is nothing in the England side that suggests they can play spin better than those 4. Also, the original context of the post was England's tour of Sri Lanka later this year and Sri Lanka are not going to provide them flat decks that India did. They are probably going to provide them the conditions South Africa are getting now and Australia got in 2016.

When England faced rank turners, they could only manage a 1-1 against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have better spinners than Bangladesh.
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I call your raise with Australia's last tour of Bangladesh.
 
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Trying to decide which team is better/more inept against spin is difficult because they are all going to get different sets of conditions. Even the weather and the time of the year can change everything.
 
Bijed

Bijed

International Regular
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11.4 - Perera to de Bruyn, no run, Dilruwan belts out an appeal for lbw, not given. SA choose to review the on-field not-out decision. Fired from around the wicket, straightens to beat the outside edge and hit the back pad in line with off stump. Pitching in line, impact in line, but umpire's call on leg stump. Clipping only the outside of leg stump

11.5 - Perera to de Bruyn, no run, another straighter one that pins the pad. Sangappeal from Dickwella. SA choose to review back-to-back not-out decisions. Good length and straightens on off to beat the outside edge and ping the back thigh. No bat involved again. This also returns umpire's call on leg stump
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South Africa are having such a miserable time out there that they're reviewing calls that go their way in a bid to get things over with more quickly.
 
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Maximas

Maximas

Cricketer Of The Year
Mr Miyagi said:
I hope it rains for 2 days straight just to see if you still think this ;)

I don't really mind, Angelo is a fine player who has had plenty of misfortune in the past, but this is rather dull cricket as a neutral fan.
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My point wasn't to say Lakmal was doing the right thing, but assuming that Matthew's milestone was the only context behind the decision was erroneous imo

I'd have thought about declaring when Dimuth got out, or at maybe just before lunch
 
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