*Official* South Africa in New Zealand

[Kent]

Craig - to answer your question about whether it's realistic Vettori will be dropped, I highly doubt it.

 

[Adamc]

Hey Eddie, why did my post about the plagiarism get deleted? Did I do something wrong?

Perhaps one of the moderators can e-mail me and fill me in. If they don't want to be honest, perhaps its best if I give Cricket Web a miss.

Fill me in too, if possible? I checked the same site and found entire plagiarised threads, including some of my posts and the posts of many other CW forum members.

 

[luckyeddie]

Fill me in too, if possible? I checked the same site and found entire plagiarised threads, including some of my posts and the posts of many other CW forum members.

There's not a lot which I can say at the mement - suffice to say there's a 'luckyeddie' there too and I've never subscribed to their forum, but that proves nothing (could be someone genuine)

 

[Andre]

Did I do something wrong?

Perhaps one of the moderators can e-mail me and fill me in. If they don't want to be honest, perhaps its best if I give Cricket Web a miss.

No - you certainly didn't do anything wrong at all. Hopefully the email would have cleared everything up.

Rest assured - your place as part of the Cricket Web community is a valued one.

 

[Loony BoB]

Back on topic, who's your man of the series? I think the below are in contention:

Chris Martin
Chris Cairns
Jacob Oram
Scott Styris
Jacques Kallis
Jacques Rudolph

Chris Martin takes it for me, though, with at least double the wickets of any other NZ bowler along with all the SA bowlers bar Pollock, and a bowling average which stands out like a light bulb.

 

[tooextracool]

Craig - it's interesting you should say that about Vettori and England. Just driving home this evening I was surprised to hear how many fans want Vettori rested from the England tour, with quite a number wanting Bruce Martin to go in his place.

Radio Sport isn't really known for its cricket talk, but I think the idea has a bit of merit. Vettori is getting increasingly defensive and frustrated with his bowling, and a rest could save him from becoming completely neurotic about it.

A pace selection of Bond, Martin, Tuffey, Oram and Cairns(?) will be expected to claim 90% of NZ's wickets anyway. SA only managed 5 wickets through specialist spinners in their 5 English tests last year, despite Boje just cleaning up Vettori 8 wickets to nil at the Basin.

If Bruce Martin could chip out a few wickets with something new, perhaps continuing his good form as a lower-order batsman, I think he would enhance the NZ squad. If it turns out he's more innocuous at the top level than Vettori is, no real harm done IMO.

well considering he took 10 wickets against england on their last tour at an avg of 24.90 why not pick a more inexperienced player who has not done anything at international level in the side?
its interesting you say that the SA specialist spinners only took 5 wickets in england last yr. and who would these specialist spinners be?jacques rudolph-certainly very classy and would definetly cause problems for england and of course paul adams a guy who wouldnt get a wicket even if he played on a pitched that turned square.

meanwhile it was an amazing innings from greame smith. i said yesterday that it was his time to prove all his critics wrong and he definetly did that. i seem to remember someone saying that this was greame smiths real test....coming up against a really good bowling side(:rolleyes: ) with a really good captain. i guess now hes proved himself and personally i think he has it in him to become an even better captain than fleming, hes only what 23?

 

[Kent]

NZ last toured England in 1999, tooextracool.

In other words, kids were mmm-bopping to Hanson CDs. Martina Hingis was the best women's tennis player in the world, David Duval was the best golfer, and Vettori had never had a serious injury.

5 wickets from *specialist* spinners meant the likes of Boje and Adams, who incidently have test averages 5-8 runs lower than Vettori's. If Adams has no real talent, I hate to think what Vettori is lacking ATM. Perhaps let's start with the coach's approval for using variations.

"His arm-ball isn't that much of a factor...it's easily read by decent batsmen" - John Bracewell.

 

[tooextracool]

NZ last toured England in 1999, tooextracool.

In other words, kids were mmm-bopping to Hanson CDs. Martina Hingis was the best women's tennis player in the world, David Duval was the best golfer, and Vettori had never had a serious injury.

5 wickets from *specialist* spinners meant Boje and Adams, who incidently have test averages 6 runs lower than Vettori's. If Adams has no real talent, I hate to think what Vettori is lacking ATM. Perhaps let's start with the coach's approval for using variations.

"His arm-ball isn't that much of a factor...it's easily read by decent batsmen" - John Bracewell.

first of all boje was injured in the ODI series and never got to play the test matches in england. adams is IMO useless because he lacks accuracy and penentration and its only his action that is unorthodox...if u can read it as most sides bar zim and ban do u should really have no problem.
since 99 vettori has done pretty well against australia too and i know he isnt as good as he used to be but id rather have an experienced player like him instead of some unknown guy who will probably fail anyways. also vettori is doing a handy job with the bat so he makes a decent all rounder

 

[Kent]

Back on topic, who's your man of the series?

Yep, Chris Martin.

I know a lot of people who didn't see this series will think "yeah, a new star paceman at 29, in NZ conditions", but that doesn't do him justice at all. With late swing and the seam consistently bolt upright at around 140kph, he was a genuine threat to classy batsmen on flat tracks.

 

[anzac]

con grads to RSA for their well deserved victory to square the series................and I hope NZ learns a few had lessons from ther defeat!!!!

IMO Smith showed typical RSA fortitude & focus that the NZ batsmen lacked in this test........IMO this has a lot to do with his class as an opening bat so far as determination and focus goes, as opposed to his role as the Captain - the Captaincy perhaps enhances these traits / skills particularly as he leads from the front..........so far as his Captaincy & tactical awareness goes I still think fleming came out on top, particularly in regard to the resources available in each team..........

this NZ team is still quite inexperienced at this level in comparison to RSA, and the best is yet to come.........

 

[anzac]

Martin gets my vote for both MOTS & 'find' of the series, with Rudolph next in line for the latter.............

at last NZ have another genuine 'stike' bowler capable of taking bags of wickets in an innings, rather than just 2 - 3..........

 

[anzac]

I'm also happy to say that Cairns was very much able to contribute with the ball as much as with the bat...............

once he got that monkey off his back re his 200th he appeared much more relaxed at the crease in his action & delivery & got some good reward...........

 

[Loony BoB]

Aye, it was good to see Cairns back in that kind of form.

at last NZ have another genuine 'stike' bowler capable of taking bags of wickets in an innings, rather than just 2 - 3...

Don't say that, God will hear you and Martin will get injured.

 

[anzac]

Don't say that, God will hear you and Martin will get injured.

:O :O

 

[Langeveldt]

Id have Chris Martin as my man of the series...

Its refreshing to see a bowler dismiss the SA batsmen with reliability, after watching a winter of absolute dross being served up by the West Indies....

Glad Gazza went out on a high, he deserved that knock, and Smith is showing class again...

Congrats to NZ too,they dominated the one day series, and did themselves no harm in drawing a test series against that batting lineup... Cant wait till they get to the UK this summer!

Been a lot of cricket this year for the south africans, they will be glad of a rest!

 

[luckyeddie]

Aye, it was good to see Cairns back in that kind of form.


Don't say that, God will hear you and Martin will get injured.

<quack> Leave Steve Harmison out of this

 

[spofta]

Chris Martin

Chris martin would have to be the most average bowler i have ever seen. He is a joke not only to himself but to new zealand. South africa would have to be the worst team i have seen to get out to that joke.

 

[Craig]

meanwhile it was an amazing innings from greame smith. i said yesterday that it was his time to prove all his critics wrong and he definetly did that. i seem to remember someone saying that this was greame smiths real test....coming up against a really good bowling side(:rolleyes: ) with a really good captain. i guess now hes proved himself and personally i think he has it in him to become an even better captain than fleming, hes only what 23?

Well it is better then India's, some of them are hardly Test standard (AA [not accurate], Zaheer, Nehra etc.).

 

[aussiefan]

nice to see RSA beat NZ which in my opinion are being over rated than they actually are

 

[Mingster]

Re: Chris Martin

Chris martin would have to be the most average bowler i have ever seen. He is a joke not only to himself but to new zealand. South africa would have to be the worst team i have seen to get out to that joke.

Um did you see him bowl? He bowled absolute jaffers to Rudolph and Kirsten which lead to their dismisal.

Spofta, you are a joke actually.

And Aussie Fan, NZ are overrated? My oh my...:rolleyes: