We'll see about the last part - I will highly doubt this is true unless the Test stretches to five days - otherwise, both teams will have similar conditions. But why is a crumbling turning wicket worse than a bouncy fast one?
Noone said a crumbly wicket is worse than a fast one... It depends on the dagrees in which htey differ...A slick grassy pitch that is uneven, can be deadly....
Just as a pitch that falls apart within 3 days can be as well...
From all accounts, this pitch looks like the latter.... If it is good for 5 days, thats great...
But if it becomes dangerous, just becasue india want to force a result in a series cos theyr losing?
Bad call...
So? Learn to play spin...that's part of cricket too. No one complains about a bouncy pitch at Perth - in fact (me included) people want to see Perth go back to its old ways.
THats just what south africa have done..learn to play spin...
What I have said so far, has nothing to do with wether a turning wicket is bad... WHat ive been saying is, If its so bad, it becomes dangerous, or, that its so bad, that whoever gets to bat last on it, loses, does not a contest make.
The differece is, on a fast pitch, a team batting last still has a good chance of winning , because the pitch tends to hold together, but if the pitch falls apart, then batting last is like a death sentence. THerefore, a no contest, its a spin of hte coin.
Errm, my point was why is a wicket that's green seen as a true test for batting and is acceptable and a wicket which rips square seen as diabolical and anti cricket? Both just as valid parts of the game and it is a ridiculous bias that is around right now.
This series has had it's flat track, it's green tinger and now has it's square turner. No complaints from me.
Well who said this?? no post ive seen so far. In fact the tours for Aus and Sa to the sub continent are celebrated, becasue of the different conditions those teams need to overcome. Again, its the degree to wich the wicket will fall apart... the Green tinger, was over hyped by the indian team, it was a good pitch to bat on after the first hour, and was just as good on the third day.
Who said anything about whose lineups were better? The tougher the conditions for batting, the more we get to see who the real quality batsmen are and not just the ones that can take advantage of easy tracks etc. It's pretty simple stuff really.
I was replying to a post in which hte OP hinted that south africa were going to be sorted from the "men" becasue there is a turner...
If you look through the 2 lineups, India have more flat track bullies than SA though.. In Jaffar and Shewag...
On the other hand, a diabolical track, also falls into the hands of someone like Shewag, where technique goes out hte door, and he just bashes a quick 50 or 70, that turns the game, with balls flying over slips though gulley etc, where batsmen like kallis /dravid etc, try and grind out hte runs, but fail hopelessly.
