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*Official* Second Test at Lord's

Tangles

Tangles

International Vice-Captain
On the strike rotation issue. In the US I played with some Indians who didn't care about it. It pissed me off when I was batting with them but a couple of them didn't need to do it. They could block or leave smashing the occasional boundary on their slot and not have it affect their game.

Sure it's nice to relieve pressure with singles but if the bowlers good enough to deny you singles then just don't get out and wait on the bad ball. With a day and a half to bat and a million runs to get you can do that if your mentally strong enough.
 
Days of Grace

Days of Grace

International Captain
Tangles said:
Sure it's nice to relieve pressure with singles but if the bowlers good enough to deny you singles then just don't get out and wait on the bad ball. With a day and a half to bat and a million runs to get you can do that if your mentally strong enough.
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greg said:
I was at Lords, and can honestly say that whilst from one perspective the entertainment of the final session just about saved what was previously an incredibly dull day, from another it was depressing that the only logical explanation for what went on was that Australia had given up. It was shocking. I almost wondered if the only purpose of Clarke's tactics was to get his series average over-rate down so there would be less danger of any suspensions somewhere down the line.

Not taking the new ball was initially fine as a tactic if it was felt that doing so would keep the low scoring rate going, but within an over or two of it being available it was clear that England were managing to score against the old ball at will. At that point it became increasingly inexplicable that they didn't take it, to the extent that it went from being inconceivable that Cook would declare overnight, to it being an entirely viable option (whether he does so is another matter, but either way i think that the crazy last session has meant that Australia will have probably at least half an hour longer to survive than they might otherwise have had (as usual all the commentators arguing for 'pre-close' declarations were ignoring the runs/overs equation in trying to turn it into a 5 and a half versus 6 and a half sessions to bowl them out debate).

However today is going to be interesting in a number of ways. If the batsmen's efforts give the impression that their bowling on day 3 was toothless as opposed to blunted by the pitch (2 wickets all day!) and fail to dispel the notion that the pitch has died a bit and is rapidly descending to usual road territory then the Aussies might as well pack their bags now.
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I'm surprised that Clarke hasn't come in for more criticism for his tactics as it became obvious about two-thirds of the way through the day that they weren't doing everything they could in an attempt to bowl the English out.

Having said that, the English batting was very defensive for the most part and maybe Clarke took the view that he'd rather have a full complement of fit bowlers to choose from for the next test rather than worry about whether the eventual target would be 500 or 550 by close of play as either "target" would require 2 days of batting

Assuming that the seamers were fit to bowl, it was pretty disappointing in any event and devalued the contest to some degree.
 
uvelocity

uvelocity

International Coach
so i'll get around to reading the thread since when i passed out (about 8:45) and i'll also get my other shoe off by and by, but there's one thing i want to get off my chest first;

on the radio they keep saying all day that australia needs a record chase of 566 at this point in order to win the second ashes test at lords. i believe this is false reporting and it should instead be something similar to "australia has been royally ****ed up the arse for the past three days in the second ashes test and would be well advised to invest in cloud seeding over london in order to spare themselves further ****ing embarrassment in the remaining two. rest assured the score is so lopsided it is unnecessary to report."
 
Adders

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
Riggins said:
from what i've seen cook tends to be super defensive and leave his declarations, at least imo, way too late. may actually be something that could give us a chance to salvage a draw.
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I agree with you on past occasions like Headingley against the Kiwis for eg....that could have bit us in the arse but he wouldn't have had this amount of runs to play with before either. If he does bat past 600 and Roots 200 it won't be down to being cautious.......it can only be to torture the Aussie bowlers some more.

Greg's right though, any cloud cover this morning and we should bowl straight up........leave Root hungry for his double.
 
flibbertyjibber

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Adders said:
I agree with you on past occasions like Headingley against the Kiwis for eg....that could have bit us in the arse but he wouldn't have had this amount of runs to play with before either. If he does bat past 600 and Roots 200 it won't be down to being cautious.......it can only be to torture the Aussie bowlers some more.

Greg's right though, any cloud cover this morning and we should bowl straight up........leave Root hungry for his double.
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Na just tell him he has 20-30 minutes to get it and if he gets out so be it. Annoy the crims more to have to come out for 20-30 and only give the openers 10 minutes to prepare to bat.
 
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flibbertyjibber said:
Na just tell him he has 20-30 minutes to get it and if he gets out so be it. Annoy the crims more to have to come out for 20-30 and only give the openers 10 minutes to prepare to bat.
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Meh

They have had a full night's sleep and know that they will be batting at some stage today

Having a bowl last night would have been positive

Batting on today is just window dressing
 
G

greg

International Debutant
flibbertyjibber said:
Na just tell him he has 20-30 minutes to get it and if he gets out so be it.
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Say it softly - I'll bet Root isn't really indifferent to the decision of whether to declare. As for any true batsman who cares about his place in the history books there can be no doubt about what he wants...

... declare overnight and get a red inker... :cool:
 
MW1304

MW1304

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Riggins said:
usman's first innings and last year of first class matches have suggested he's had no inclination to adjust his game, and from all reports his attitude around the team his horrendous. not the type of player i want them to give test matches to in the expectation/hope he suddenly turns it around. the others, i hope they can show some guts.
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What is the issue with Khawaja's attitude? I've heard a lot of it on CW but nothing in the media other than this 'Watson faction' thing.
 
G

greg

International Debutant
I think there is a recent precedent somewhere for England declaring before start of play. I seem to recall a test in the last couple of years where everyone assumed England would bat on, and they even said that batting on had been their original intention, but when they turned up and saw the cloud cover they changed their mind. Possibly one of the India matches, i can't recall?
 
Furball

Furball

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greg said:
I think there is a recent precedent somewhere for England declaring before start of play. I seem to recall a test in the last couple of years where everyone assumed England would bat on, and they even said that batting on had been their original intention, but when they turned up and saw the cloud cover they changed their mind. Possibly one of the India matches, i can't recall?
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IIRC all the India declarations had Strauss on the balcony calling them in.
 
Spikey

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maybe because we don't have to worry about runs Watson won't stamp his pad down and play to the legside every 2nd ball, or Usman won't self destruct because he hasn't scored for awhile






it's a nice thought
 
Maximas

Maximas

Cricketer Of The Year
Who is gonna bowl first up for Australia? No point bowling the pacers really, may as well just let England bat till whenever they want to declare.
 
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