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*Official* Second Test at Lord's - Aug 12-16 2021

CarlsbergXpress

U19 Vice-Captain
If we combine 2020 and 2021 for the purposes of this, this is Root's first really top-tier year since maybe 2017 or even 2016. Williamson in that same period has been consistently excellent with very few misses. Clear gap imo.
From memory - I don’t recall Root going through a phase where he’s not at least getting decent starts and he always looks like making 100’s. I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong! Let’s hope this ton-up trend continues, he’s great to watch.
 

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Older members will remember all the talk about the best batsmen having to play at number 3. How many of the guys mentioned here do that for their countries?
Williamson and Marnus do, Kohli, Babar and Smith don't.
 

Spark

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From memory - I don’t recall Root going through a phase where he’s not at least getting decent starts and he always looks like making 100’s. I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong! Let’s hope this ton-up trend continues, he’s great to watch.
His record between about 2017 and 2020 is actually really underwhelming for a player of his quality. 6 hundreds in 44 (!) Tests with an average only just the right side of 40. This really is his first properly good year in quite a while. It's pretty obvious that the pressures of the captaincy wore him down mentally and the COVID break has refreshed him in a big way.
 

CarlsbergXpress

U19 Vice-Captain
His record between about 2017 and 2020 is actually really underwhelming for a player of his quality. 6 hundreds in 44 (!) Tests with an average only just the right side of 40. This really is his first properly good year in quite a while. It's pretty obvious that the pressures of the captaincy wore him down mentally and the COVID break has refreshed him in a big way.
Agree, so 2 years at this level. Or just the Ashes, should it go ahead? Which we all hope it will!
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Williamson's record is a bit deceptive. He has an overall more impressive record and certainly worthy of #3. Yeah, Root is probably #4 but he's scored everywhere unlike Williamson.
 

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He did good but it was more "very promising batsman for the future" good, not "third best batsman in the world" good.
Hmmm this is a massive undersell. I don’t want to push his case too hard, but it’s not easy think of 3 batsmen who’ve had a better tour of England recently than Labuschagne did on the last ashes tour. Smith, Kohli on the last tour. I suppose we have to say Conway. I’d have Labuschagne as the clear 4th best touring batsman of the past 5 or 6 years.
 

Bijed

International Regular
His record between about 2017 and 2020 is actually really underwhelming for a player of his quality. 6 hundreds in 44 (!) Tests with an average only just the right side of 40. This really is his first properly good year in quite a while. It's pretty obvious that the pressures of the captaincy wore him down mentally and the COVID break has refreshed him in a big way.
I mostly agree, but I kind of feel that there might be something other than just the break that's helped him. Just because there was a bit of a break last year (not as long tbf) between the orginal Sri Lanka tour getting aborted and the test summer, in which he really didn't do anything and was fairly awful in the ODIs IIRC, rusty as hell.

Although I think his child was born, resulting in him missing the first test of the summer, so that could have been a distraction to mess with his head I guess, especially in the circumstances.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Hmmm this is a massive undersell. I don’t want to push his case too hard, but it’s not easy think of 3 batsmen who’ve had a better tour of England recently than Labuschagne did on the last ashes tour. Smith, Kohli on the last tour. I suppose we have to say Conway. I’d have Labuschagne as the clear 4th best touring batsman of the past 5 or 6 years.
Yeah I just think that you have to put a real big marker down, absolutely dominate a series away from home, to be considered in that conversation.

EDIT: Admittedly I also have in mind that I feel he was in good enough form to have basically dominated the series against India, but kept throwing away starts and not really cashing in. Even the hundred he got could easily have been 150+ given the way he was batting and the conditions/attack, but he threw it away rather than push us onto an insurmountable first innings score. Peak Smith would have absolutely ground India into the dirt there and not given them a sniff; that's the difference between good players and the true elite IMO.
 

Spark

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I mostly agree, but I kind of feel that there might be something other than just the break that's helped him. Just because there was a bit of a break last year (not as long tbf) between the orginal Sri Lanka tour getting aborted and the test summer, in which he really didn't do anything and was fairly awful in the ODIs IIRC, rusty as hell.

Although I think his child was born, resulting in him missing the first test of the summer, so that could have been a distraction to mess with his head I guess, especially in the circumstances.
There's multiple things going on though. Rustiness is obviously a thing, some players just need quite a bit of gametime to feel back in rhythm and comfort again. Once he got through that, then the benefits of being mentally refreshed can really kick in.
 

Bijed

International Regular
Yeah I just think that you have to put a real big marker down, absolutely dominate a series away from home, to be considered in that conversation.
Pretty much this I'd say. If he'd had that tour immediately after his incredible home summer rather than the other way around, you certainly wouldn't be seeing it as the bubble bursting or anything and would be reassured of his credentials as a quality test bat, but you'd also probably be a little disappointed that he didn't make at least a ton at any point.
 

harsh.ag

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Jesus Christ Buttler please get the **** out now. Bairstow I can handle making runs, not you
 

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Batting hasn’t really looked easy at any stage. India should have bowled tighter lines and turned the screws.
 

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