Howsie
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How would you rate McCullum's world cup so far btw. I'm genuinely interested.Cue Howsie to remark on how poor McCullum has been opening the innings, remove minnows etc.
How would you rate McCullum's world cup so far btw. I'm genuinely interested.Cue Howsie to remark on how poor McCullum has been opening the innings, remove minnows etc.
No, we need to put him down the order because he's failing. If a batsmen like Watling or Redmond were to play 40 odd games over the last couple of years and put up numbers like McCullum has would they still demand a place in the team, of course not. They probably would not have even lasted as half as long.a) Do we really need to put him down the order for when the top order fails? Basically preparing for failure.
He can? I mean he's played 190 matches and he's done it once.c) He scores a lot of quickfire 20s and 30s. But if he comes off up the top he can put up a big score. If he comes off lower down he is only ever going to get a 40-50* in a finishing role, at the most. He isn't going to do anything great in a recovery role
He can? I mean he's played 190 matches and he's done it once.
You're right, he's never going to be a good batsmen, the guy has been playing ODI cricket for close to ten years now and he still has no idea on how to build an innings. You'd think by this time in his career those numbers would be improving but they're not, they're sliding pretty drastically. Since January 2009 he's had 41 innings, scored 1086 runs @ 26.4 while striking at just a touch over 80. Those numbers probably wouldn't see him making too many teams around the world.Against the top 8 he has opened 60 times averaging 30 with a SR of 87. 1 hundred and 10 50s, not great by any means but other international openers would survive on similar figures. Particularly if they were the keeper too.
Baz just is never going to be a great batsman, I'm perfectly fine with what he gives to the team. If he fires then we're hard to stop (particularly when chasing). He wouldn't be doing anymore down the order than he would up it and personally I'd say he'd do significantly less.
I take everything that IndiaLose says very seriously.
He only speaks the truth, you know that.
You're going to discount the games against minnows, so I won't bother with them.How would you rate McCullum's world cup so far btw. I'm genuinely interested.
Yeah, because Watling or Redmond could put up those numbers.No, we need to put him down the order because he's failing. If a batsmen like Watling or Redmond were to play 40 odd games over the last couple of years and put up numbers like McCullum has would they still demand a place in the team, of course not. They probably would not have even lasted as half as long.
Since he became an opener (2nd time around)He can? I mean he's played 190 matches and he's done it once.
1912.sa spinners obliterating a lineup? when last have you heard that said?
Funny how all of a sudden you aren't leaving out minnows.Since January 2009 he's had 41 innings, scored 1086 runs @ 26.4 while striking at just a touch over 80. Those numbers probably wouldn't see him making too many teams around the world.
So to some up, a big failure? Thank You.You're going to discount the games against minnows, so I won't bother with them.
vs Australia - failed, but so did all the other batsman
vs Pakistan - failed, but so did the rest of the batsman except for Guptill and Taylor
vs Sri Lanka - failed, but so did all the other batsman
It's not like he has performed worse than the rest of the team. Yeah, not the best but it's only 3 games.
I can't say I'm the biggest Aaron Redmond fan going around but I'd back him to at least get close to averaging 26.Yeah, because Watling or Redmond could put up those numbers.
I think you have me confused with somebody else because I'm not arguing for McCullum to go down the order because I think he'll perform better, I want him down the order because he's ****ing hopeless up the order.Since he became an opener (2nd time around)
68 innings, 2290 runs @ 36.34 S/R 93.50, 3 100s 13 50s
taking out minnows
50 innings, 1598 runs @ 33.29 S/R 88.53, 1 100 10 50s
After he initially opened until he returned to open. (Dec 2002 - before Nov 2007)
Batting 5 and below (batted number 3 a couple of times, and opened for a series)
75 innings, 1436 runs @ 25.64 S/R 84.71, 0 100s 6 50s
taking out minnows
68 innings, 1270 runs @ 24.90 S/R 80.84, 0 100s 4 50s
Yep, all signs point to him being a better lower order bat.
Perhaps it's just me but a "big score" is usually 100+. That's just me maybe. When you have people saying someone in the top four needs to make a big score I don't know if they're talking about 70's though.Also, only done it once? I will ignore the minnows, just for you.
Since he became an opener in 2007
81 (85) vs RSA - Nov 2007
96 (103) vs AUS - Dec 2007
80* (47) vs ENG - Feb 2008
77 (43) vs ENG - Feb 2008
71 (68) vs IND - Mar 2009
77 (95) vs IND - Mar 2009
131 (129) vs PAK - Nov 2009
76 (79) vs PAK - Nov 2009
Funny how one time turns into 8 times when you conveniently make a big score equate to more than 100. I'm sure Redmond, How and Watling could all put up those scores over 2 years.
That averages out to 21.6, so yeah I think it is.Yeah, since that series against Pakistan he hasn't done much. But when you take away the minnows, all that is left is.
45 (43) vs AUS
24 (16) vs AUS
24 (16) vs AUS
23 (25) vs AUS
61 (75) vs AUS
1 (13) vs AUS
0 (1) vs IND
42 (42) vs IND
14 (10) vs IND
12 (13) vs PAK
16 (12) vs AUS
6 (3) vs PAK
14 (16) vs SRL
Hardly as abysmal as you're making out. Of course, there are half a dozen better options just sitting around in NZ domestic cricket who can do a better job.
Clutching a straws here much? If you want to lump Bangladesh in with the likes of Kenya and Canada that's fine by me, but there is a big difference between playing a one off game against a team like Kenya and playing a series against Bangladesh.Funny how all of a sudden you aren't leaving out minnows.
Since January 2009
34 innings, 972 runs @ 28.58 S/R 82.58 1 100 4 50s
Heh, right. That's exactly why I'm doing there. January 1st is such an obscure date.Also, making convenient time periods is awesome, aye.
If I pick stats of him opening from 8th March 2009 (excluding minnows)
25 innings, 808 runs @ 32.32 S/R 85.59 1 100 4 50s
So he had a crap period from January 2009 to March 2009, but you make it seem like he has been playing crap for a whole 2 years.
Great stuff!
A long with nearly every other batsman in those 3 games. Yet he has score runs against the minnows. In the game against Canada he outscored all those other batsman. But hey, we have to pretend that match never happened.So to some up, a big failure? Thank You.
Ahh, so you wouldn't mind Redmond coming into the side averaging 26? Which is less than McCullum. McCullum also keeps so you would have to drop who? Styris/Franklin/NcCullum? All so that someone who in the best case scenario can do what a worst case McCullum can do.I can't say I'm the biggest Aaron Redmond fan going around but I'd back him to at least get close to averaging 26.
So you want him in a place where he is more hopeless?I think you have me confused with somebody else because I'm not arguing for McCullum to go down the order because I think he'll perform better, I want him down the order because he's ****ing hopeless up the order.
But you said only one innings. So why didn't you count his 96? Because he missed out on your arbitrary point of greatness by 4 runs?Perhaps it's just me but a "big score" is usually 100+. That's just me maybe. When you have people saying someone in the top four needs to make a big score I don't know if they're talking about 70's though.
Oh noes, a poor run of scores over a selected period of time. Lets compare McCullum to other openers of recent times.That averages out to 21.6, so yeah I think it is.
You can't just use them when you feel like. Leave them in or take them out, don't pick and choose.Clutching a straws here much? If you want to lump Bangladesh in with the likes of Kenya and Canada that's fine by me, but there is a big difference between playing a one off game against a team like Kenya and playing a series against Bangladesh.
Yeah, but you used that date and then said that he had been horrible that whole time. But in reality he played quiet well in the middle, and was out of form at the start and end of that period. I was just showing on easily you could be mislead by statistics.Heh, right. That's exactly why I'm doing there. January 1st is such an obscure date.
The obvious implication is that in more recent times, for whatever reason, McCullum's performances have been less impressive. You can do the same thing with his number from 2010 with even greater results. Once you remove his performance against the minnows in this world cup (you can leave Bangladesh in, if you like, though you should really only include them when the match is being played in Bangladesh as they're rubbish away from home), his average slumps to 17.9 from 24 innings.Why 2009?
Since January 1st 2008
44 innings, 1370 runs @ 32.61
Anybody can do this with statistics. So what?