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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
...on the subject of breaking the streak though, I honestly think, that if they pitch Undertaker up against Cena at a WM, Cena is the one and only guy I can see breaking it, and I really think it may happen....but that is a story for the proper wrestling thread I suppose.
Cena breaking the streak would be such a waste given how over his is anyway, it wouldn't mean anything. I love Cena, I really do, but I would hate to see that happen. If the streak is ever broken (and I don't believe that it will be) then I'd hope it would be for someone who was destined to be as big as Austin or The Rock, anything else would be a waste.

Tipping it to be Taker V McMahon at 26 btw
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Cena breaking the streak would be such a waste given how over his is anyway, it wouldn't mean anything. I love Cena, I really do, but I would hate to see that happen. If the streak is ever broken (and I don't believe that it will be) then I'd hope it would be for someone who was destined to be as big as Austin or The Rock, anything else would be a waste.

Tipping it to be Taker V McMahon at 26 btw
Yeah Taker vs McMahon is what I would expect as well, and that does seem to be the rumour going around. However, if the streak were to end, I can't think of anyone other than Cena who the E would want to break it, or who I personally would be willing to see break it. That's not to say I want to see it broken, I really would not, but if someone had to do it, I would rather it were him.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah Taker vs McMahon is what I would expect as well, and that does seem to be the rumour going around. However, if the streak were to end, I can't think of anyone other than Cena who the E would want to break it, or who I personally would be willing to see break it. That's not to say I want to see it broken, I really would not, but if someone had to do it, I would rather it were him.
Cens or Kane, for me. Of course, Kane would need a small push and to lose some weight, but I do not think either are beyond him.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah Taker vs McMahon is what I would expect as well, and that does seem to be the rumour going around. However, if the streak were to end, I can't think of anyone other than Cena who the E would want to break it, or who I personally would be willing to see break it. That's not to say I want to see it broken, I really would not, but if someone had to do it, I would rather it were him.
My point is that if anyone was to break it, we shouldn't have heard of them yet as there is nobody out there destined for Austinesque stardom just yet. Cena breaking it would be completely pointless IMO.

As for Kane, forgive me for the smarky comment (after everything I've said tonight in the other thread!!) but I'd actually never watch WWE again if that happened.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Cens or Kane, for me. Of course, Kane would need a small push and to lose some weight, but I do not think either are beyond him.
Unfortunately I think it is totally beyond Kane tbh. Much as I used to love the guy, the is no way he is anywhere near over enough to even be close to beating Taker at WM, not in a million years.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
My point is that if anyone was to break it, we shouldn't have heard of them yet as there is nobody out there destined for Austinesque stardom just yet. Cena breaking it would be completely pointless IMO.

As for Kane, forgive me for the smarky comment (after everything I've said tonight in the other thread!!) but I'd actually never watch WWE again if that happened.
Well, yes and no imo. To take a punt on a young guy beating Taker really would be a massive risk, and thanks to Brock Lesnar that kind of thing is really never going to happen. Apparently the consensus amongst the E management, is that if anyone has to do it, it is more likely to be an established star, as they don't want another young guy pushed to the moon who then buggers off after a year or so. Kind of a sticky situation to be in really, because like you say, the argument for Cena going over is full of holes, but I really cannot think of anyone else that the E would have enough faith in to be given such a task. Though it would not be ideal, I think Cena breaking the streak, would be good in the sense that it would create a real wrestlemania moment, it would draw huge and would be a great spectacle and as such would not be totally wasted, though probably not ideal.


Still holding out for Shelton Benjamin to break it tbh :ph34r:
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
He should just retire quietly tbh, waste of space
I think that is slightly harsh tbh, the guy has been a great servant to the E, never once complained about being put in endless stupid storylines and being booked terrible and generally being used as a vehicle to get other people who are less talented than himself over. He still can work a good match, though thanks to the the creative "geniuses" backstage his character and credibility are totally shot, which is a shame. He has played his part in a hell of a lot of mark out moments for me personally as well, really liked him back in the day, will always be a kind of favourite of mine for those reasons.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Well, yes and no imo. To take a punt on a young guy beating Taker really would be a massive risk, and thanks to Brock Lesnar that kind of thing is really never going to happen. Apparently the consensus amongst the E management, is that if anyone has to do it, it is more likely to be an established star, as they don't want another young guy pushed to the moon who then buggers off after a year or so. Kind of a sticky situation to be in really, because like you say, the argument for Cena going over is full of holes, but I really cannot think of anyone else that the E would have enough faith in to be given such a task. Though it would not be ideal, I think Cena breaking the streak, would be good in the sense that it would create a real wrestlemania moment, it would draw huge and would be a great spectacle and as such would not be totally wasted, though probably not ideal.


Still holding out for Shelton Benjamin to break it tbh :ph34r:
An established star beating Taker would just be so pointless though, IMO, what would it achieve? I mean, sure, a great WM moment or whatever, but you get some guy who's set to be the new Austin to beat Taker at Mania and a star is born. Established stars don't need to end the streak and it would waste twenty years in which a legend has been built up.

If you were going to have an established star do it then it should have been Michaels, whom I personally believe to be the greatest of the era.

I wouldn't be surprised if you turned out to be right, though. TBH i think having Michaels beat Flair at 24 was a waste, could have had someone young beat Flair and end the best of all-time's career, would have been huge. That's a bit different mind you, as flair deserved to go out against an opponent of his choosing.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I think that is slightly harsh tbh, the guy has been a great servant to the E, never once complained about being put in endless stupid storylines and being booked terrible and generally being used as a vehicle to get other people who are less talented than himself over. He still can work a good match, though thanks to the the creative "geniuses" backstage his character and credibility are totally shot, which is a shame. He has played his part in a hell of a lot of mark out moments for me personally as well, really liked him back in the day, will always be a kind of favourite of mine for those reasons.
Two questions for you sledgee.

1 - How do you know he's never complained? :p
2 - Who are these people who are less talented than him? I've never seen them that's for sure. :ph34r:

His debut run in 97 was epic, built up in a way which I doubt we'll ever see again and then the five-month lead-up to the Taker-Kane match at WM14 was immense, playing its part in one of the F's most exciting ever periods of TV. Once him and Undertaker started playing buddies the guy has been as boring as hell bar the odd bit here and there and his character has lost all credibility over the years. He sux.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Two questions for you sledgee.

1 - How do you know he's never complained? :p
2 - Who are these people who are less talented than him? I've never seen them that's for sure. :ph34r:

His debut run in 97 was epic, built up in a way which I doubt we'll ever see again and then the five-month lead-up to the Taker-Kane match at WM14 was immense, playing its part in one of the F's most exciting ever periods of TV. Once him and Undertaker started playing buddies the guy has been as boring as hell bar the odd bit here and there and his character has lost all credibility over the years. He sux.
Haha, well ok. I would base the fact that he has never complained on the fact that such complaints have never been publicised. With the internet and such in the modern day, most complaints guys make end up being leaked out, but I have never seen Kane fall foul of this, if I am wrong though, I would retract the comment.

As for guys less talented than him, I should perhaps rephrase that to say "less deserving". During 03-04 Kane was insanely over, and was verging on the main event on a number of occasions. He should never have been made to do the job to Goldberg or HHH around that time, though it's obvious why he did. He's not done badly out of the whole time he's been in the E, but imo anyway he really should have been given a few more runs with a world title than he actually has, lord knows he was over enough. Unfortunately since the mask came off though it has generally been downhill from there, and it has pretty much reached the point of no return, I will concede that. The Ambulance match against Shane however, was pretty epic, but the recent years where he has been used to put over the likes of Mark Henry have just been horrible to watch.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I didn't watch enough in 03 or 04 to agree/disagree on how over he was, but I'd take issue with him being more deserving of a world title than Triple H at any point from 99 onwards. People's issues with Triple H aside, he is a better pro-wrestler than Kane in every way IMO.

It's only my opinion, but I think one world title (not counting the ECW one) was too many
 

masterblaster

International Captain
I think John Cena's losing the match against Orton and then moves to Smackdown. Meanwhile CM Punk wins the World Heavyweight Championship and moves on. It's then set up for John Cena vs The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 26, with Undertaker winning and continuing his undefeated run. That seems the most logical way forward for me.

Chris Jericho would've been another great candidate to face Undertaker at Wrestlemania 26, but I'd imagine he'd be facing Edge this year when he comes back from his injury. John Cena looks like the most likely candidate though at this stage and if it goes ahead, the match will be huge and will probably be really good too.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
I didn't watch enough in 03 or 04 to agree/disagree on how over he was, but I'd take issue with him being more deserving of a world title than Triple H at any point from 99 onwards. People's issues with Triple H aside, he is a better pro-wrestler than Kane in every way IMO.

It's only my opinion, but I think one world title (not counting the ECW one) was too many
Triple H is the better wrestler and is far more legitimate as a World Heavyweight Champion than Kane but I think Kane has deserved a better run with the top. In the past he had a great character, was over with the fans and should've had a better run.

But Kane is a well liked and respected guy backstage who doesn't play politics and doesn't care whether he holds the belt or not so that has held him back. Plus he's very good at putting people over so he's more or less used to enhance other talent. Triple H has never been very good at putting people over but their roles are equally as important.

Kane's been very loyal to WWE as well and has endured his fair share of crappy storylines, so I definitely think that he at least deserved a couple of other runs at the top being World Heavyweight Champion.
 

SirBloody Idiot

Cricketer Of The Year
They should have re-masked him in the Mysterio feud last year. I'm certain they were going to, but never pulled the trigger. I am an unabashed fan of Kane's work. He's been stuffed around with so often, yet always remains entertaining (except when they put him in the done to death Monster vs. Monster feuds). Some of his work with The Hurricane and RVD (not to mention that backstage skit with Hogan and The Rock) has been awesome.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't think Taker ever loses his streak. Even if he does I don't see many people whom eh would do the honour of putting over. Definitely not a guy he's had so much negative history with like Michaels. Hell would freeze over before that happens. Shawn doesn't need it either and wouldn't even bring it up with Vince anyway.

Needs to be a really really special young prospect for him to even contemplate doing a job and I don't think they've got it. Personally hope he never does it, it's a special streak which should remain.
 

chalky

International Debutant
Agree with Sledger if Taker ever loses at WM it would have to be Cena (or who ever the biggest star of the day is).

IMO it's not about giving a young guy the push, Hogan didn't need the push when he pinned Andre (we was already WWF champ & the face of the company) yet even he benefitted from the passing of the torch. Even after all Hogan has done it is still considered his most famous match & greatest achievement & beating taker @ WM would be a similer achievement.

Just on side point reckon Triple H will book himself to break the streak just as he breaks Ric Flair's world title reigns, watch the internet will explode with anger,
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Agree with Sledger if Taker ever loses at WM it would have to be Cena (or who ever the biggest star of the day is).

IMO it's not about giving a young guy the push, Hogan didn't need the push when he pinned Andre (we was already WWF champ & the face of the company) yet even he benefitted from the passing of the torch. Even after all Hogan has done it is still considered his most famous match & greatest achievement & beating taker @ WM would be a similer achievement.

Just on side point reckon Triple H will book himself to break the streak just as he breaks Ric Flair's world title reigns, watch the internet will explode with anger,
Hahahaha, can you imagine if that happened, there would be a ****storm.
 
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