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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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Majin

International Debutant
Dunno about you guys but I thought the Kozlov/Festus match on SD! was awesome. Haven't seen two big blokes like that have such a physical and impressive match in a long while. Some real nasty looking blows traded in that match and it was worked at a pretty impressive pace given the size of the two. Would enjoy seeing a rematch between them
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Missed all the undercard due to work but managed to get a stream going in time for the big hitters.

Punk v JBL: Should've been longer but was very good. They finally gave Punk a clean win and made him look strong. One scary spot wehre both guys looked like they could have head injuries but aside from that a well worked match and the end result that was needed.

Triple H v Khali: As good as it probably could've been Triple H took the bumps and got the win that we all knew he was getting. Khali being filler but begs the question of which top heel he's going to go after next, or maybe we could see a turn coming sometime soon?

Cena v Batista: Really good match this, lived up to expectations. One great spot where Cena reversed a superslam into an FU, but lo and behold Batista kicked out. In the end it took two big bombs by Batista and he got a clean win. Shame because Cena carried that match on his back for large parts but we know all too well this one isn't over.

Hell in a Cell: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Miles and away the Match of the Year. Great tempo, ebbs and flows, told a story and my word there were spots. The spear through the cage and through the third announce table were amazing. Taker won with a tombstone and then did a mad spot after the match where he chokeslammed Edge of a ladder and through the ring in turn breaking it. They did the whole fire and hell thing and that was that.

So in short the matches I saw were great and would've been worth the money for the PPV. Gutted I missed the HBK-Jericho segment because it sounded good too. Only one prediction wrong too so I guess I could say the booking was solid too :laugh:
 

Freddie_Fittler

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Dunno about you guys but I thought the Kozlov/Festus match on SD! was awesome. Haven't seen two big blokes like that have such a physical and impressive match in a long while. Some real nasty looking blows traded in that match and it was worked at a pretty impressive pace given the size of the two. Would enjoy seeing a rematch between them
Yeah, I thought it was great.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
The HIAC sounds pretty good, but also from what i've read it sounds like Edge got buried pretty badly, what with Vicky and Chavo coming out at the end...can anyone verify this?
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Watching Summerslam right now, so far it's been an awesome show. Up to Triple H vs Great Khali at the moment. Punk vs JBL was quality and the past few weeks Punk has looked really solid as a top face.

Will post my entire Summerslam review after I'm done watching it. Can't wait to see Edge vs Undertaker!
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
You heard it here first...

Rumoured that the E are going to book a loser gets fired match between HBK and Y2J for Unforgiven....

Would relish this idea tbh, problem is...if Jericho does the job then I'll want to never watch wrestling again...but if Jericho were to win and HBK to go away for 4 months or something on holiday then that would be awesome, and would put Jericho over like crazy, take him to a whole new level..

but is only a rumour...
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Watching Summerslam right now, so far it's been an awesome show. Up to Triple H vs Great Khali at the moment. Punk vs JBL was quality and the past few weeks Punk has looked really solid as a top face.

Will post my entire Summerslam review after I'm done watching it. Can't wait to see Edge vs Undertaker!
Finished watching Summerslam just now. What a fantastic show. Has to be a solid contender for PPV of the year. Not a bad match on the card and even Triple H vs Great Khali was entertaining enough.

MVP vs Jeff Hardy

Solid match here with both guys putting in although there was a lack of ring intensity by both MVP and Jeff Hardy but the psychology of the match was good. The correct guy went over as well.

Mickie/Kofi vs Beth/Santino

Entertaining enough match with a good finish. There's plenty of mileage to be had with Santino and Beth so the correct people went over here again.

Shawn Michaels/Chris Jericho Promo

Anytime you get these two in the ring whether it be for a match or a promo, it's always an absolute classic. Today's promo delivered and prolonged their feud. Shawn Michaels played the retirement card, Jericho comes out and gives another fantastic promo. Accidental punch on Shawn's wife and boom, here's your next match for Unforgiven. Very well done segment.

Mark Henry vs Matt Hardy

I said before that there wasn't a bad match on the card, I forgot about this one. Well it wasn't really even a match, more of a non event. In the first minute Mark Henry gets disqualified and retains the ECW title. Absolutely pointless.

CM Punk vs JBL

Finally, WWE are booking CM Punk the way he should be booked. A hardworking legitimate tough guy with a lot of wrestling ability that fans young and old can get behind. A fantastic match with CM Punk looking really strong and JBL really stepped up his game as well. You can see JBL respects Punk, not only does he do the job but he makes sure that Punk looked good during the match.

Triple H vs Great Khali

A half decent match actually. Triple H actually made Khali look really good in this match. With the amount of offense Khali got in, he looked like an absolute monster. Triple H winning was fine and the best part was he didn't bury Khali as much as I thought he would. While no means a classic match, it was entertaining enough.

Batista vs John Cena

I'm surprised actually how good a wrestler John Cena has become. When he was feuding with the likes of Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho and Christian a few years ago it was clear that he was nothing more than a manufactured wrestler in the Hulk Hogan mould. Cena of today is technically sound, fluid in the ring and has a great grasp of crowd reactions and psychology. He's the far better wrestler out of the two and he carried this match for mine.
I rather would've had Cena winning this but the match proved to be surprisingly good.

Edge vs Undertaker

Match of the night and potential match of the year candidate. One of the best Hell in a Cell matches I've seen in a long time. Brilliant spots, fantastic psychology and great chemistry between Edge and Undertaker. The only problem I saw was not enough actual wrestling and too much reliance on weapons. Very cool finish with Edge going through two tables and then going through the ring.

Overall a great show and it gets 4/5 from me. Better than anything that WWE have done all year and better than anything that TNA have done as well.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Just finished watching SummerSlam myself earlier on today, ordered a replay on PPV and watched it round a mate's house with six other mates. Good atmosphere. Here's my take on things:

Jeff Hardy vs MVP

The right man went over, which is the main thing, and it wasn't a bad match either. Far better than their encounter at Judgement Day earlier this year. The involvement of Shelton is very intriguing, for reasons I'll explain later on. Oh, and Shelton's choice of T-shirt was a mistake.

Kofi Kingston (c) & Mickie James (c) vs Santino Marella & Beth Phoenix, Winners Take All Intergender Tag Team Match for the WWE Intercontinental Championship and the WWE Women's Championship

Decent match here as well, some enjoyable spots including Kofi hitting his trademark ridiculously-high crossbody, and doing his fake suicide dive which resulted in Santino leaping into Beth's arms. I love how Santino is playing the woman's role in this angle, and I also love that they didn't pull the trigger on the ridiculous idea of Santino becoming Women's Champion. Good match, and the right people went over, as this Santino/Beth angle is hilarious.

HBK's announcement about his future

Yet another awesome promo from these two guys. This feud is going to result in one hell of an epic blow-off. Credit to Michaels' wife, Rebecca, for being willing to take a stiff punch in the face from Jericho, and you can imagine Jericho felt horrible about having to do that as well. You could see her lip swell up afterwards. On such a gorgeous woman, an image like that really makes an impact. Another brilliant advancement of this angle.

Mark Henry (c) vs Matt Hardy, ECW Championship Match

Now, a lot of people have a problem with this match, and with good reason - the fact that Matt Striker said the Twist of Fate would be an impossibility on Henry, and then Hardy pulled it off about a minute later was fairly ridiculous, plus the fact that it effectively buried Henry - however, a friend of mine made a brilliant call at the end of the match, on seeing the save by Jeff. This could very well be the start of the "New Nation of Domination" stable that has been rumoured, in a feud against the Hardys. The MVP-Jeff angle can easily be crossed over and worked into the Henry-Matt angle, plus there had to be a reason for Shelton's involvement. A stable featuring MVP as the mouthpiece, Shelton as the talent, Atlas as the manager and Henry as the muscle? Yes, please. Oh, and if you're pissed about the fact that the match itself was an irrelevance, which match could they have taken time from to flesh it out? The fact that the match was virtually non-existent was for the best, it wouldn't have been much good anyway.

CM Punk (c) vs JBL, World Heavyweight Championship Match

A solid match, with the right winner in a clean fashion. Can't ask for more than that. The clash of heads that resulted in Punk being busted open threatened to ruin the ending if Punk had been knocked out, but thankfully it did nothing but add to the intrigue of what was a surprisingly stiff encounter, even by JBL's standards.

Triple H (c) vs The Great Khali, WWE Championship Match

Easily Khali's best-ever match. Thought Khali might be going over here, but in the end Triple H won out in what was a far longer and more entertaining match than anyone expected. Probably the right result, but with Khali having been defeated cleanly, who challenges Triple H next? It'll be an interesting one.

John Cena vs Batista

Good match, with the wrong winner. If there was ever going to be a clean winner here, it should have been Cena. He needed the win far more than Batista did, and Batista has had two title shots against Punk recently and lost, so what's to gain by elevating him? I have no idea how the RAW writers are going to get themselves out of this booking mess. Amusing incident at my mate's house during the match, though:

Michael Cole: ...Batista, who was trained by Ric Flair, the man who taught him everything he needed to become one of the biggest stars in sports entertainment...
Me (to the room): Yeah, Flair taught him everything he needed, except how to do Flair's most important and best move, the one that was pretty much the first thing he ever taught Triple H...
*Batista locks in Figure-Four Leg Lock*
Me: Ah...
Edge vs The Undertaker, Hell In A Cell Match

Wow. Just...wow. Match of the Year by a distance, IMO. Forget Flair's retirement, this was the best thing you'll see in wrestling this year. I agree to a certain extent that there wasn't enough wrestling, but there's been enough of that in the previous matches between the two. This was a blood feud, and the match didn't disappoint. From the spear through the Cell, to the spear through the announce table, to the biggest regular chokeslam anyone's ever seen, to the huge Last Ride, to the chokeslam through two tables, the breaking of the TV camera over Edge's head, the con-chair-to on Edge...and then the final, earth-shatteringly awesome chokeslam off a ladder, through the ring, straight to Hell - complete with ten-foot jets of fire shooting out of the ring. I did worry that before 'Taker came back to the ring to finish Edge off, the match didn't have that "OMFG" moment that every great gimmick match of this kind needs - but I needn't have worried. Both men delivered big-time, and if further proof was needed that Edge deserves a spot alongside 'Taker as one of the greatest of all time, here we have it.

Overall

Fantastic PPV. Every match bar Cena-Batista had the right winner, and if Cena wins the rematch and the rubber match at WrestleMania then that'll be rectified anyway. Edge-Undertaker stole the show, predictably, but every match that was given any time was solid or better, and the one that wasn't given time was done to advance an angle. WWE have really turned it on this year, and I can't wait to see how things progress towards Unforgiven after another stellar effort from Vince.
 
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Barney Rubble

International Coach
Oh, and, in other news, a mate of mine has grown a Triple H/Lemmy beard/tache combo in preparation for the show we're going to in November. And also for fun. Mostly for fun. It's hilarious. :laugh:
 

Majin

International Debutant
Actually not that upset to see big Dave go over Cena, anything that pushes him a little bit closer to a heel turn is fine by me.

You lot have got me all excited to see this Hell in a Cell match now. :(
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
interesting RAW last night....Jericho is being put over strong...which is great, just a shame that it had to come at the expense of Punk, for him to lose clean the night after a huge PPV win in which he looked really strong is a total anticlimax in my book, and doesnt really do him any favours.

But just wow...Jericho is being put over stronger than ever before, and getting a hell of a lot of heat, and not being made to look like a bitch...really enjoying watching him atm, mark out.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
interesting RAW last night....Jericho is being put over strong...which is great, just a shame that it had to come at the expense of Punk, for him to lose clean the night after a huge PPV win in which he looked really strong is a total anticlimax in my book, and doesnt really do him any favours.

But just wow...Jericho is being put over stronger than ever before, and getting a hell of a lot of heat, and not being made to look like a bitch...really enjoying watching him atm, mark out.
Yeah, Jericho's on a roll. Liked the red trunks he was wearing too, gives him a distinctive new look.

Also, I marked the hell out for Kane's new/old music - THE ORGAN IS BACK! Surely Masked Kane is only a month or two away...:cool:
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
So, I was thinking last night, after the top afternoon I had watching SummerSlam with six mates, about my potential plans for WrestleMania XXV in April. I'm most likely going to have Sky Sports in my house for this year (eventually), so I'll be watching it on PPV at home with a few mates. However, I'm conscious of the fact that I'm going to be living in a house of six people, where only one of the others has ever really watched wrestling, as far as I know. Therefore, I've come up with a plan, to make sure the others in my house don't get bitter about me dominating the living room for an evening with a bunch of rowdy wrestling fans. I'm gonna get them all into wrestling as well! :)

My strategy for accomplishing this is, using the incredibly neat ability of a RealPlayer/Firefox combination to allow one to download files from YouTube, to assemble a video package - preferably a couple of hours long - featuring "Ten Must-See Matches". I'm not talking necessarily about the ten greatest matches of all time, or about the ten most high-profile, or any other criteria. Just the ten most essential matches for any wrestling fan, casual or hardcore smart-mark.

I'm thinking, at this early stage in the lengthy process, that the matches should predominantly feature big names from the last ten years, and ones that casual fans will recognise - that means plenty of Attitude Era and potentially even a Hogan match. I also think there should be a good balance of technical matchups, big-name battles on the big stage, and hardcore brawls. Provisionally, I've come up with some suggestions for matches that could go on there, but I'm looking for some other suggestions from you guys to help me make sure as many of my friends as possible are hooked after watching this. Here's my list of potentials so far, and the reasoning behind them:

Undertaker vs Mankind, Hell In A Cell, King of the Ring 1998
Enough said.

Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant, WrestleMania III
Awful match, but it was the biggest moment in the history of the industry.

Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit, WWE Championship Match, Royal Rumble 2003
Best technical matchup of all time, IMO.

TLC II, WrestleMania X-Seven
The biggest spot-fest of all time, and the best.

Undertaker vs Edge, Hell In A Cell, SummerSlam 2008
Surely a modern classic, but are two HIAC matches necessary? Probably not.

Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle, WrestleMania XXI
One of the best WrestleMania encounters of all time, without a doubt.

Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho, WrestleMania XXIX
Same category as above.

The Rock vs 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin, WrestleMania X-Seven
The absolute peak of wrestling's popularity in 2001, and a top-class match to go with it.

The Rock vs Hulk Hogan, WrestleMania XXIX
Another clash of the big names on the grandest stage of them all. Even someone who's never watched wrestling knows who The Rock and Hulk Hogan are.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't think horrific begins to describe last night's booking. Take away the magnifiicent Jericho and HBK feud (which so far has been the best booked feud for a long long time) this show was plumbing the depths of WCW Thunder during it's death knell period.

The burial of the tag teams champs was disgraceful and further more only done as a sweetener for Cena jobbing the night before. It served no other purpose, Cena didn't need to be put over he never will need a win that badly because he's at the perma over level that only guys like Taker, HHH and HBK are at in the company right now. Handicap matches where the tag team loses is reserved for jobbers and comic relief matches, I feel sorry for the two guys because they've worked hard to get over and taken the opportunities given to them superbly.

Then we have the Adamle announcement for Unforgiven. I don't know if it's just me but a match where the WHC just gets passed around willy nilly surely mocks the importance that holding the gold is meant to have? I read someone on another forum describe the whole thing as arbitrary and inconclusive and I agree 100%, so you could conceivably be pinned 8 times in 19 minutes and strike lucky with 4 seconds to go and eventually be the winner? This has to be booked unbelievably well and carefully but I can't see it.

Seeing Punk go down relatively cheaply just iced the cake for me. I know they're pushing Jericho and if there's anyone out there who deserves it i, undoubtedly it's him but you just can't have a face champion who's borderline legitimate(in the general audience's mind) losing clean on TV. Any other top faces on the show would get a potected push, Cena, HHH, HBK, Undertaker, Batista, even guys like Eddie got it. What's worse for me is that these two aren't even in a feud, it's just a vehicle to further the heat for the HBK v Y2J feud and he's now going to lose a huge amount of heat and momentum going into a feud with 4 people all of whom are far more established than he is.

Ah well, just waiting till SD! spoilers to see if they can come up with something better than this. Sort of wished Edge got a bit of a break after he's worked through so many injuries but the show needs him badly if they're to make the show watchable, the other guys just can't do it at this point in time.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So, I was thinking last night, after the top afternoon I had watching SummerSlam with six mates, about my potential plans for WrestleMania XXV in April. I'm most likely going to have Sky Sports in my house for this year (eventually), so I'll be watching it on PPV at home with a few mates. However, I'm conscious of the fact that I'm going to be living in a house of six people, where only one of the others has ever really watched wrestling, as far as I know. Therefore, I've come up with a plan, to make sure the others in my house don't get bitter about me dominating the living room for an evening with a bunch of rowdy wrestling fans. I'm gonna get them all into wrestling as well! :)

My strategy for accomplishing this is, using the incredibly neat ability of a RealPlayer/Firefox combination to allow one to download files from YouTube, to assemble a video package - preferably a couple of hours long - featuring "Ten Must-See Matches". I'm not talking necessarily about the ten greatest matches of all time, or about the ten most high-profile, or any other criteria. Just the ten most essential matches for any wrestling fan, casual or hardcore smart-mark.

I'm thinking, at this early stage in the lengthy process, that the matches should predominantly feature big names from the last ten years, and ones that casual fans will recognise - that means plenty of Attitude Era and potentially even a Hogan match. I also think there should be a good balance of technical matchups, big-name battles on the big stage, and hardcore brawls. Provisionally, I've come up with some suggestions for matches that could go on there, but I'm looking for some other suggestions from you guys to help me make sure as many of my friends as possible are hooked after watching this. Here's my list of potentials so far, and the reasoning behind them:

Undertaker vs Mankind, Hell In A Cell, King of the Ring 1998
Enough said.

Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant, WrestleMania III
Awful match, but it was the biggest moment in the history of the industry.

Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit, WWE Championship Match, Royal Rumble 2003
Best technical matchup of all time, IMO.

TLC II, WrestleMania X-Seven
The biggest spot-fest of all time, and the best.

Undertaker vs Edge, Hell In A Cell, SummerSlam 2008
Surely a modern classic, but are two HIAC matches necessary? Probably not.

Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle, WrestleMania XXI
One of the best WrestleMania encounters of all time, without a doubt.

Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho, WrestleMania XXIX
Same category as above.

The Rock vs 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin, WrestleMania X-Seven
The absolute peak of wrestling's popularity in 2001, and a top-class match to go with it.

The Rock vs Hulk Hogan, WrestleMania XXIX
Another clash of the big names on the grandest stage of them all. Even someone who's never watched wrestling knows who The Rock and Hulk Hogan are.
Bret Hart v SCSA - Submission match WM XIII
Launched the career of the most over guy in wrestling history and was the catalyst for the infamous Bret heel turn against America. Was a proper fight between the old and new of the game. Watching the entrances just makes me mark out big time. Easily the match of the year in a very very hot year for wrestling.

The Rock v Mankind - Royal Rumble 99 (I Quit Match)
Just awesome, brutally awesome. Rock at his charasmatic butthole best and Foley at his reckless best too.

Triple H v Shawn Michaels v Chris Benoit - WMXX
A true mark the **** out moment for me, one of the best worked matches of all time and in fron of the best wrestling crowd around at MSG. Just an absolute gem from start to finish, the rose staining of HBK is one I still can't get out of my head.

Bret Hart v Shawn Michaels - Montreal People remember the finish but for me this was the second best worked match these two have put on and from start to finish in front of a hot crowd was absolute magic. Landmark match and probably just shades their Iron Man Match. These two were the single greatest feud I've ever seen, it worked on so many levels and genuine animosity between the two just made them go up further levels when they were in the ring.

Had a whole list of my favourite WCW matches a few pages back in this thread too if you need some of their best matches in there too.
 

Agent TBY

International Captain
Duffer is awesome. The RR I Quit should definitely be in there. My top ten?

Best match at the Royal Rumble - The Rock v Mankind "I Quit" RR '99

Best match at Wrestlemania - HHH v Shawn Michaels v Chris Benoit - WMXX

Best spotfest - TLC II - WMXVII (Also best run-in ever, with Spike going nuts :laugh:)

Best Technical fapfest - Benoit v Angle RR2003

Best Cruiser match - Guerrero v Mysterio Mask v Title, Halloween Havoc '97

Best Summerslam Match - The Rock v HHH, Ladder @ SS '98 (needs citation)

Best tag-team match - Edge/Rey v Benoit/Angle v Los Guerreros - No Mercy 2002

Best match at the Survivor Series - Montreal '97

Best match on RAW - TLC III

Best match on Smackdown - Lesnar v Angle, Ironman
 
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