*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

[GIMH]

Eh

 

[OverratedSanity]

Coz he's been at the top 6-7 years longer than he should've been. Everyone gets stale after a while.... more so these days than before. WWE have just done a piss poor job at building up others to the same level in that period.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Wish he'd just go away... then when he comes back in 2-3 years I can mark out and give him the pop he deserves.

 

[sledger]

I think you're giving Cena a raw deal here.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah I'm not. He's being booed as the top babyface... he needs to cop criticism for it regardless of the reasons. If the babyface isn't being cheered enough, he's failing one of his jobs. Sure, sure, he draws and all that, and that's the most important thing, whatever. But I don't know why he should escape criticism for his on screen character being bland, boring and not well liked by so many people.

 

[sledger]

Nah I'm not. He's being booed as the top babyface... he needs to cop criticism for it regardless of the reasons. If the babyface isn't being cheered enough, he's failing one of his jobs. Sure, sure, he draws and all that, and that's the most important thing, whatever. But I don't know why he should escape criticism for his on screen character being bland, boring and not well liked by so many people.

His on screen character is at best only partly down to the man himself though. A few pages ago everyone was saying what a gun he is when he's actually able to get off script a bit. I don't think saying "lots of people dislike him" is actually a criticism at all either. The amount of support someone/something has is not an indicator of its objective quality. Look how popular Bon Jovi are.

 

[OverratedSanity]

His on screen character is at best only partly down to the man himself though. A few pages ago everyone was saying what a gun he is when he's actually able to get off script a bit. I don't think saying "lots of people dislike him" is actually a criticism at all either. The amount of support someone/something has is not an indicator of its objective quality. Look how popular Bon Jovi are.

It absolutely is a legitimate criticism. I refuse to believe Cena being the franchise player doesn't have atleast a decent amount of control over what goes into his promos. Even then, I wasn't talking about his mic skills at all.... If he's booed as a face and this many people don't find him entertaining, he's doing something wrong and calling it a blot on his resume is very fair atleast imo.

Lol @ the Bon Jovi comparison though.

 

[GIMH]

They've played on Cena being booed for years now, he's aimed at a certain demo and it works. As you say, he's a huge draw and in pro wrestling there is no bigger definition of success

 

[duffer]

I seriously believe that a heel Cena would start a ****ing fire under the arse of the WWE Universe. It would put the face over big time, draw huge numbers and get rid of that stale smell that's there whenever Cena's on. lmagine Bryan vs Heel Cena?

 

[OverratedSanity]

They've played on Cena being booed for years now, he's aimed at a certain demo and it works. As you say, he's a huge draw and in pro wrestling there is no bigger definition of success

Yeah, and I acknowledged that, which is why he's one of the top superstars ever.

But he gets booed and lots of people think he's bland. Don't get why I can't criticize him for that.

Edit: Also, I believe if Cena refined his character better, I see no reason why he can't retain his current demographic and be loved by many other age groups as well. WWE keep talking about trying to grab every single demographic possible yet have no problem with the top babyface not being liked by loads of people? Hmmm, don't buy it. Cena would be an even bigger draw than he is now, if he was liked by everyone like Hogan, Austin and Rock were at their peak.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Anyway, on with the great video packages.... WWE don't usually do post-match highlights packages too often, and pretty much never this good. It's almost as good as the match itself.

 

[sledger]

Yeah, and I acknowledged that, which is why he's one of the top superstars ever.

But he gets booed and lots of people think he's bland. Don't get why I can't criticize him for that.

Edit: Also, I believe if Cena refined his character better, I see no reason why he can't retain his current demographic and be loved by many other age groups as well. WWE keep talking about trying to grab every single demographic possible yet have no problem with the top babyface not being liked by loads of people? Hmmm, don't buy it. Cena would be an even bigger draw than he is now, if he was liked by everyone like Hogan, Austin and Rock were at their peak.

I didn't query you criticising him because you thought he was bland. But I don't think "some people do not like him" is a valid criticism of anyone. Some people not liking him is a symptom of whatever other criticisms you can level at him, it's not a criticism in itself. It's just circular reasoning. John Cena is unpopular because he is unpopular because he is unpopular etc...

 

[sledger]

Anyway, on with the great video packages.... WWE don't usually do post-match highlights packages too often, and pretty much never this good. It's almost as good as the match itself.

I really need to watch this in full again one day. It really is the greatest match of all time imo.

On an unrelated note. I wonder when the Undertaker last put someone away for 3 with the last ride.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah, he's unpopular because his character is bland.

And Jono's original point wasn't that 'some people don't like him'. It's that there are a lot more people who dislike him than guys like Hogan and Austin. And really the main criticism of cena from a pre business standpoint is what I mentioned before that he hasn't managed to capture several demographics as fans. Yeah, kids love him. But you do know what wwe says repeatedly right? They want their product to appeal to as many demographics as possible. And when the top babyface is a huge draw but at the same time, is flat out not liked by many people, then they're missing out on money they could be making from that demographic. Cena is huge but if he was liked by almost everyone like Rock and Austin, he'd be an even bigger superstar and could be making wwe even more money. And it's all because many people find him bland. Which is really my only point here.

 

[Shri]

AJ Lee & Paige vs. The Bella Twins - Paige 4evr.

Palest diva ever. Haven't liked any female pro wrestler as much since Trish Stratus and Lita.

and finally, i look forward to complaining about the commentators

MAGGLE!!!

 

[Shri]

funnily enough, i just ordered it. I doubt it'll be better than wwe2k14. the defeat the streak mode was pretty ****ing fun.

**** switched the lights off after a great finisher in an epic match and beat me once. Made a new star, gave him lots of torso attacking moves like spears and slams and hurt him enough and put him in the walls of jericho to beat him. Turns out he can't do the lights off trick if you use a submission finisher.

 

[GIMH]

As much as I like cena, I just don't think he could ever have been Austin/Rock levels, in this day and age and I think that's why they play it the way they do

 

[Shri]

How is cena the main man when so many ****s hate him. I get it's the minority but still, he's one of the biggest wwe stars ever. So weird. Understand different crowds nowadays to Hogan and Austin but Fmd you barely heard a boo with those guys.

I have got two words for ya: Merchandise sales.

And the 'make a wish foundation' stuff too. Kids love Superman. Yeah the same ones who later bash him and move on to Batman. You can bet your house that when the sales disappear he is going to turn heel and shuffle things up.

 

[GIMH]

Btw I don't dispute heel Cena would be amaze balls but it would cost them a fortune in merch and I don't see anyone bridging that gap. Maybe if Reigns was to take off as a superface, or Rollins if they do the switch (which is what I would do), then they'll go for it?

 

[Shri]

As much as I like cena, I just don't think he could ever have been Austin/Rock levels, in this day and age and I think that's why they play it the way they do

Yeah. You are right Cena can't pull off anything as good as that. Different times.

And he is not as charismatic as the rock either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWWLDCSFnvg

Thuganomics was great but nowhere near those two. But he can be 100x better than anything the WWE has put out since those guys went out. CM Punk was the closest thing to heel Austin we have seen since the late 90s but Cena can be a very entertaining good guy(heelish face) if they let him do his thing in the future.