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*Official* Pakistan v South Africa in UAE
- Thread starter Paul S
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kykweer.proteas
International Debutant
cough cough
chokers
chokers
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Pakistan should take South Africa's chokers tag.
KungFu_Kallis
International 12th Man
So India chase down consecutive 350 totals with ease while Pakistan fall apart chasing 180. Yet Pakistan are arguably a better all round Test side than India at the moment. Certainly away from home. Which technically all of their matches of course are. I guess that shows how relevant ODI's really are to Tests.
Though if it hasn't been said already, this match will surely be "investigated".
Though if it hasn't been said already, this match will surely be "investigated".
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
India's batting is still much better than Pakistan's in Tests though, and for India to chase 350 totals and Pakistan to fall about chasing 180, it still actually requires India to concede 350 and Pakistan to concede only 180.
ODIs aren't very relevant to Tests, but I don't think that's really a good example of why. Pakistan's bowlers performing while their batting lets them down and India's batsmen bailing out their bowlers at home seems very much in line with what happens in Test cricket really.
smash84
The Tiger King
Although I still feel that we are a better overall test side than India atm but this feeling seems to be passing away every single day when I see our batting plumb to new depths
kykweer.proteas
International Debutant
When Misbah went out I knew Pak were in trouble.
slowfinger
International Debutant
Do you guys think Umar Akmal is a failed version of Virat Kohli, as much as it hurts to say?
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Umar Akmal's name being in the same sentence as Virat Kohli's is a huge insult to Kohli.
Right now Umar Akmal seems to be a failed version of Basit Ali.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
You know I think a test series on these conditions would be extremely close.
I do trust Younis Khan, Misbah and Shafiq to be able to handle the Ashwins and Ishants quite easily while Junaid, Irfan and Ajmal would be quite a challenge for the strong Indian batting line up.
slowfinger
International Debutant
Did you see Shoaib Akhtar on GEO when he saw Pakistan lose? He was just heartbroken, and he claimed that we can't simply just rely on Misbah. How our batting slumps this low is mind boggling - It's almost as if they have never faced such bowling ever. But they of course have no pressure on their places as noone is at the moment adequate to replace anyone. They feel no shame, and the way Afridi and Umar Akmal got out, was absolutely disgraceful. That was shambolic batting and its a shame we have to stand for it. I will never forget this loss.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
I am quite used to it now..it doesn't even bother me anymore...the indifferent attitude that players like Afridi, Akmal, Hafeez express towards repeated consistent failure used to hurt me before but not anymore because I have realized they are not worth my time..
If Umar Akmal is happy to be a pathetic batsman who is only good for 25-30 runs at best and has no aspiration to be a great batsman, to score centuries, to average 50 in test cricket, then honestly he is just not worth it.
Hafeez gets owned by Steyn everytime and yet is totally unwilling to acknoweldge that he has technical issues in the same interview where he boasts that he is very honest.
What can you say about these players.
salman85
International Debutant
The batting collapse the other day was pretty stunning, even from Pakistan standards. Yes Pakistan will put in poor batting displays very often, but the collapse that day is not something that will happen everyday, even going by our incredible ability to self destruct. So i won't look into that particular batting display too much.
Fairplay to SA for pulling off an incredible win. This is going to be an excellent ODI series. Pakistan to win it 3-2.
Fairplay to SA for pulling off an incredible win. This is going to be an excellent ODI series. Pakistan to win it 3-2.
Daemon
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He has the goods, he's just got no temperament to capitalize on his starts and 50s which is a shame as it's so important in Tests. If he can learn when to put his shots away he'll be such a useful player for Pakistan. I don't know whether he's actually going to learn that in Pakistan's FC scene though, where he can probably just continue to bully his way to big scores.
salman85
International Debutant
The only chance i see of Umar Akmal developing into a better player is if he is given a run at the top of the order. Play him as an opener or at no.3. He has the ability. And i think his temperament to go after the bowling will bear more fruit at the top of the order than at his current position down the order. He is not someone who will finish innings, or someone who can hold the innings together calmly in times of collapse (something which is very likely in a Pakistan batting line). But give him a free role at the top of the order, and he will do pretty well IMO.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I think part of Pakistan's problem here is their ridiculous balance; I've said it a thousand times before but there's just no need to have six frontline bowlers. Having both Afridi and Hafeez in the top seven is just a waste, unless you pick a specialist wicket keeper at eight which they haven't. One of the bowlers or bowling allrounders has to go for a batsman, and as much as people will whinge about him slowing the scoring rate down, I'd go with Azhar. He has an excellent List A record and he's made runs in this ODIs he's played, albeit slowly.
With a good bowling attack, Pakistan should be basing their side around that and working towards a batting lineup that can consistently make scores at par or even just below par, not the current lineup that is set up to make 160 regularly and 330 once in a blue moon. A consistent top order that actually makes runs and sets a platform - even at a slow rate - will do wonders for the side.
With a good bowling attack, Pakistan should be basing their side around that and working towards a batting lineup that can consistently make scores at par or even just below par, not the current lineup that is set up to make 160 regularly and 330 once in a blue moon. A consistent top order that actually makes runs and sets a platform - even at a slow rate - will do wonders for the side.