We will never know. There is the speed gun test on youtube but it only had Thomson at 146 iirc and he would have been 155kms in the test so I think it was a slow gun. Hadlee was 129 on the test but tellingly he finished 2nd to last out of ten people in the contest. That tells me that he would have been 135 tops by mid career. Though obviously when he had his 22 step run up he would have been 140-145
Bottle caps certainty help too
You hit the nail on the head earlier when you said that some of us go back on this message board and that we all have each others backs. If you want to reach that status one day where we have your back then you need to leave out the passionate punctuating comments like I have highlighted. Play nice.
Stop being so sensitive, stop feeling like if I insult a point you make about a player that it's a personal insult and stop getting yourself into a situation where you feel personally attached to players or points you make about players.
WE WILL SEND YOU TO COVENTRY SOON UNLESS YOU CHANGE. Is that clear enough. Was that passive aggressive.
Heres a tip - if Sodhi was actually taking wickets or being threatening, he'd get more overs. When are you going to stop pointing the finger at "Sodhi doesn't get enough overs" into "Sodhi isn't good enough to get the overs"
These days with the amount of cameras on the cricket and the fact that most players have a camera on them ready to be cut to should an event occur, I really don't think you can easily tamper with the ball and not be caught on it. It's not like the Chris Pringle days where you might have one or two cameras at the ground - so I'm of the same mindset you are, it's a skill developed out of neccessity and they've gotten amazing at being able to extract it.
Actually, considering you first had an issue with my post, only for me to bark back at you about being A: Late to the party, B: Trying to revive an already dead argument and C: Being sensitive, your resulting attempt at a satirical response isn't passive aggressive, it's to the point of a blatant troll, something you were complaing about WW doing.
Is this where I report you for taking conversation away from cricket and trying to perpetuate an argument that didn't involve you?
I responded 30 minutes after you made the post. That is not late to the party. You made your post at 10:33pm.
Boult and Southee combined went for less than 2.5 an over in the first innings, how again was the ball slapped out of shape?
Where as you perpetuate arguments and then attempt to tell me that you're the bastion of forum behavior and not just a bandwagon poster who decided to jump on an already dead discussion because you took umbrage with me playing the ball... meanwhile your focus is now to play the man.
14 over the first few overs. It slowed down afterwards, but most of the swing was gone by then.
All valid points - but it's more than just a skill. You need to be able to bowl at a certain speed with a certain type of release from the hand to get the ball to reverse. And that's more natural than taught.
Takes more than two to three boundaries to stop the ball swinging though, I think more so the climate there doesn't have conventional swing for longer than a few overs unless you're getting through the air slightly quicker than other bowlers. Also I feel our bowlers didn't pitch the ball up as much as the Pakistani bowlers which again robs you of the chance of late swing through the air. We were trying to use the pitch and there was really nothing there to use. The Pakistani's bowled better variations, changes of pace, used angles more and pitched it up.