*Official* Pakistan v Australia in UAE 2014

[Flem274*]

to the Haddin questioner up thread - he'll smoke India at home then be a joke in England. It's his usual beast at home, liability with the bat away mantra.

Yeah great work by Pakistan........been the stumbling block for a few teams on the march now.

except zimbabwe.

zimbabwe #1 test team

 

[social]

I actually agree with most of this, but I don't think the selectors do. They've ****ed Hughes around for years, why stop now? Siddle has been bog ordinary most of his career, a steady third seam option at best usually, but still they love to pick him, and will probably continue to do so. Hadds is definitely in trouble if his injury keeps him out of the 1st test and say a Nevill does a good job in his stead, but the selectors will probably pick Wade so that he's an automatic selection once fit.

I suspect that you are probably right with the only thing tempering my expectations of the status quo being maintained being the words of McGrath last night

It was obvious that he was absolutely livid and one can only hope that things get through to the guys in power over selections

 

[adub]

yeah well misbahs ton kind of helped **** my predictions. 138 overs shouldnt have been too high a mountain either. didnt even try to save the game.

We haven't batted more than 90 overs to save a game since about 1975 I think.

 

[Flem274*]

i'll repeat what i said about england after the last ashes - don't panic.

these guys will still bully any team with the probable exception of south africa on their own turf. most of the right players are in the team already. warner and rogers are good openers, clarke and smith form the beginnings of a very very good middle order, haddin is awesome with the bat at home (and only has to bat at seven away) and mitchell marsh batted well. johnson continued to bowl well too.

where it went wrong is starc isn't test class yet to begin with, siddle has lost the plot and you picked two spinners and a biffer at three. i think the margin of defeat was exaggerated like englands in the ashes was and simple things like not feeding two not world class finger spinners to pakistani batsmen or playing maxwell at number three will go a long way to making australia a better side overnight.

iirc you guys have india at home, then the ashes then i think it might be us early next summer. that's a good long break away from UAE style conditions.

warner, rogers, somebody, m clock, tpc, marsh, haddin, johnson, harris, siddle/patto/hilf/someone, lyon is still going to dominate outside of the subcontinent/UAE and you have ages to prepare for the next attempt at it.

 

[adub]

We haven't batted more than 90 overs to save a game since about 1975 I think.

or 2005 one of them numbers ending in 5

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[social]

i'll repeat what i said about england after the last ashes - don't panic.

these guys will still bully any team with the probable exception of south africa on their own turf. most of the right players are in the team already. warner and rogers are good openers, clarke and smith form the beginnings of a very very good middle order, haddin is awesome with the bat at home (and only has to bat at seven away) and mitchell marsh batted well. johnson continued to bowl well too.

where it went wrong is starc isn't test class yet to begin with, siddle has lost the plot and you picked two spinners and a biffer at three. i think the margin of defeat was exaggerated like englands in the ashes was and simple things like not feeding two not world class finger spinners to pakistani batsmen or playing maxwell at number three will go a long way to making australia a better side overnight.

iirc you guys have india at home, then the ashes then i think it might be us early next summer. that's a good long break away from UAE style conditions.

warner, rogers, somebody, m clock, tpc, marsh, haddin, johnson, harris, siddle/patto/hilf/someone, lyon is still going to dominate outside of the subcontinent/UAE and you have ages to prepare for the next attempt at it.

Good teams don't get absolutely flogged unless the problems are deeper than a couple of selections

 

[morgieb]

i'll repeat what i said about england after the last ashes - don't panic.

these guys will still bully any team with the probable exception of south africa on their own turf. most of the right players are in the team already. warner and rogers are good openers, clarke and smith form the beginnings of a very very good middle order, haddin is awesome with the bat at home (and only has to bat at seven away) and mitchell marsh batted well. johnson continued to bowl well too.

where it went wrong is starc isn't test class yet to begin with, siddle has lost the plot and you picked two spinners and a biffer at three. i think the margin of defeat was exaggerated like englands in the ashes was and simple things like not feeding two not world class finger spinners to pakistani batsmen or playing maxwell at number three will go a long way to making australia a better side overnight.

iirc you guys have india at home, then the ashes then i think it might be us early next summer. that's a good long break away from UAE style conditions.

warner, rogers, somebody, m clock, tpc, marsh, haddin, johnson, harris, siddle/patto/hilf/someone, lyon is still going to dominate outside of the subcontinent/UAE and you have ages to prepare for the next attempt at it.

Have a tour to Bangladesh in between the Ashes and your mob/the West Indies (that's if they still exist....), which is kinda like UAE.

Still, we can't lose there, surely?

 

[OverratedSanity]

i'll repeat what i said about england after the last ashes - don't panic.

these guys will still bully any team with the probable exception of south africa on their own turf. most of the right players are in the team already. warner and rogers are good openers, clarke and smith form the beginnings of a very very good middle order, haddin is awesome with the bat at home (and only has to bat at seven away) and mitchell marsh batted well. johnson continued to bowl well too.

where it went wrong is starc isn't test class yet to begin with, siddle has lost the plot and you picked two spinners and a biffer at three. i think the margin of defeat was exaggerated like englands in the ashes was and simple things like not feeding two not world class finger spinners to pakistani batsmen or playing maxwell at number three will go a long way to making australia a better side overnight.

iirc you guys have india at home, then the ashes then i think it might be us early next summer. that's a good long break away from UAE style conditions.

warner, rogers, somebody, m clock, tpc, marsh, haddin, johnson, harris, siddle/patto/hilf/someone, lyon is still going to dominate outside of the subcontinent/UAE and you have ages to prepare for the next attempt at it.

Agree with most of that, but

1) Don't agree with the bolded part at all. Australia just never, ever looked anywhere close to Pakistan's quality in these conditions. A mere 1-0 would have massively flattered them for the way they played.

2) Where are the caps? Jesus christ my eyes.

 

[uvelocity]

We haven't batted more than 90 overs to save a game since about 1975 I think.

this was a roady road the whole way through though. not your typical day 5 pitch.

 

[social]

this was a roady road the whole way through though. not your typical day 5 pitch.

What about that shot when Misbah (?) was gong to play a reverse sweep, got out of position and still had time to switch back after it bounced

Pakistan played incredibly well but our response on this deck was pathetic

 

[Spark]

Agree with most of that, but

1) Don't agree with the bolded part at all. Australia just never, ever looked anywhere close to Pakistan's quality in these conditions. A mere 1-0 would have massively flattered them for the way they played.

2) Where are the caps? Jesus christ my eyes.

I think he means in the sense that Pakistan really just hammered their advantage home when the game was clearly won, and the gap between the sides when the Test was "live" wasn't as big as that

 

[Spark]

i mean misbah's knock was great and all but if siddle takes that catch then tbh pakistan probably win sooner

 

[Flem274*]

that, and that everything that could go right for pakistan did go right, and everything that could go for australia did go wrong.

it wasn't quite to ashes extremes where johnson bowls with unprecedented venom and trott needs to go home, swann retires, KP KPs it up etc but it was pretty bad.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I think he means in the sense that Pakistan really just hammered their advantage home when the game was clearly won, and the gap between the sides when the Test was "live" wasn't as big as that

Guess what? Pakistan could afford to do that because Australia were bowled out in 66 overs in the 1st innings when the game was live. Absolutely pathetic.

Edit:Just take out Pakistan's second innings completely. The fact that Australia conceded a 300 run lead and couldn't last more than two sessions showed what a big gap there was between the teams. I'd have sort of agreed with Flem's point if Australia had scored the same 261 runs in the first innings in 100 overs.

 

[Jono]

that, and that everything that could go right for pakistan did go right

Just lost their two best bowlers pre-series.

 

[social]

Just lost their two best bowlers pre-series.

Ajmal being a bowler is stretching it a bit tbf

 

[Spark]

Guess what? Pakistan could afford to do that because Australia were bowled out in 66 overs in the 1st innings when the game was live. Absolutely pathetic.

mm i didn't regard the game as all that live there

 

[OverratedSanity]

Just lost their two best bowlers pre-series.

Cannot stress enough how much this point is being brushed aside.

 

[Howe_zat]

yeah well misbahs ton kind of helped **** my predictions. 138 overs shouldnt have been too high a mountain either. didnt even try to save the game.

Take out Misbah's ton and Pakistan win by 200 runs with a session spare.

When was the last time Aus batted 4 sessions to save a game? The #intent is too strong

 

[OverratedSanity]

mm i didn't regard the game as all that live there

You didn't think the game was live when Australia were batting in their first innings? Look at it this way...

If Australia got the same 261 runs in 100-120 overs, Pakistan's approach in the second innings would've been different. Game definitely wouldn't have been a definite win for Pakistan at that point. It's all about batting for runs and time.