silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So is that what you wanted the South African players to do in Australia too? Or what about Murali giving the finger?
Its not an excuse - and this is coming from a guy who doesn't think its a big deal.
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***Official*** Pakistan in South Africa
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Its not an excuse - and this is coming from a guy who doesn't think its a big deal.
Beleg
International Regular
What a farce.
The only racist thing about South Africa is the cricket board itself. As others have said, what Gibbs said was about on the same level as some Englishmen rubbing into Shane Warne after his fiasco.
This **** is more destructive in combating actual racism then anything else.
The only racist thing about South Africa is the cricket board itself. As others have said, what Gibbs said was about on the same level as some Englishmen rubbing into Shane Warne after his fiasco.
This **** is more destructive in combating actual racism then anything else.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
2 of them are druggies and one's a chucker?
Dasa
International Vice-Captain
Come on. It's clearly crossing the line when you bring race/nationality into it, and it's a very different situation to saying ****ing poms or something like that.
Why?
Frankly, it's a bit disappointing that anyone would want to sweep something like this under the carpet. He said the wrong thing - acknowledge that it is wrong and get over it, don't defend the comments.
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
3 or 4 years ago, maybe...
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Until you look at it in comparison to other recent bans that is.
Langeveldt
Soutie
haha, all we need is Gibbs to get his Pakistani passport through, and we'll have a match fixer too..
Gotta love international cricket, ICC/ACC split anyone?
Dasa
International Vice-Captain
Seriously, what's the relevance of that comment? Different organisations handing out the punishments, different situations, different transgressions. There's no comparison.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Wow, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
I dont like the man, but I wouldn't throw that at him.
gunner
U19 Cricketer
then i suggest you do some research on him
Fusion
Global Moderator
Of course you realize that if such a split does take place, South Africa are likely going to go with the ACC? That's evident based on how SA has voted in recent times. Of course then SA will be part of the evil, satanic Asian bloc. That can't be good for that high horse of yours...
It's time for everyone to GET OVER IT.
-Get over the fact that Gibbs said something offensive/racist because it's not the first time that happened and won't be the last. Players mouthing off (even racist stuff) is not new. And guess what? Crowds tormenting players with verbal abuse is not new either!
-Get over the fact that two players took steroids and got away with it. They were not the first athletes to take steroids, and I can bet you they won't be the last. Since HGH is not detectable, I can bet there are others out there taking stuff without the fear of getting caught. However, with more uniformed standards across ICC, this problem can eventually be solved.
Unlike what some people on this board would like for us to believe, the above things do NOT spell the end of cricket. Cricket will go on, stronger than ever. Your contemptuous and self-righteous rants will only give you an ulcer. It's only a sport. So relax and enjoy the games. Thanks. You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
gunner
U19 Cricketer
post of the week,
brining the sad people off their high horse and down to earth hopefully
Beleg
International Regular
Well, he used insults and profanity. That alone shouldn't bring any kinda ban on anyone unless it verges on harrasment. But that doesn't really matter. My problem is with the point that several people are calling this 'racist'.
Come on. It's clearly crossing the line when you bring race/nationality into it, and it's a very different situation to saying ****ing poms or something like that.
Why?
Frankly, it's a bit disappointing that anyone would want to sweep something like this under the carpet. He said the wrong thing - acknowledge that it is wrong and get over it, don't defend the comments.
Incidently, saying '****ing poms' is the same as saying '****ing ****'s', in both cases you are bringing the 'nationality' into question.
What part of '****ing pakistanis go back to your ****ing zoo' is racist? Hell, he didn't even use the P-word. [keep in mind the absued allegedly hurled at him by the crowd]
Real racism is when you discriminate actively against someone based on their skin colour/race.
By the way, race is a completely different matter from nationality. Pakistanis come in all shades of brown, white and black.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
No, Ive been criticised for not answering questions asked so you should at least give an answer.
Why dont you educate me and others like me on Smiths racism?
Im very happy to learn things I didnt know previously.
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Dasa
International Vice-Captain
I'm sure you know that there's a clear difference in that example. You just have to look at the historical context, the ethnic make-up of of the respective nationalities. In fact, I would call it a racist remark depending on the context anyway.
What part of it isn't racist? He associated Pakistanis with being animals. Given history, that is a racist comment. I'm well aware that 'Pakistani' is a nationality rather than a race - however, most people don't make that association and stereotype based on nationality. The average person on the street doesn't see various ethnicities and races in Pakistan - he/she sees a lot of brown people.
It is also when you make offensive remarks based solely on someone's race/nationality. It might be that Gibbs didn't mean it that way and it was just a stupid comment. But, as I said earlier, he crossed the line bringing 'Pakistani' into it and has been punished.
As I said, I know that.
Anyway, you didn't answer why "This **** is more destructive in combating actual racism then anything else."
Beleg
International Regular
If it's 'only a sport' then why do even precieved slights throw thousands of people into indignant fits? This is only tangentially about cricket. Accusing someone of being a racist is a serious matter and just sweeping it under the carpet is unfair to both the accuser and the accused.
As for the drugs bit, well, that little fiasco has provided a lot of people with the opportunity to take cute little digs at Pakistan and Pakistani cricket. I cannot blame them for exploiting it, since the whole scenario was an absolute disgrace. If anything, getting off on a technicality and boasting about it is akin to slapping the spirit of the law on the face.
The whole Pakistan cricket establishment needs to clean its act, getting caught in a series of unsavoury incidents not only reflects badly on them but also gives the supporters a lot of grief from all sorts of snarky quarters.
The idea of stifling dicussion about cricketing issues on a cricket forum is pretty ironic as well. None of these rants are going to give anyone an ulcer, metaphorical or real, as long as the replies are more then poorly assembled garbled sentences, it shows that the poster has actually given some thought to a cricketing matter and is willing to discuss it in its rightful place, a cricket discussion board.
The 'none of this matters' slippery slope is a bad one to employ, since we might as well leave everything and just lie down motionless, seeing as we are mere figements of God/Yahweh/Thor/42's imagination anyway and none of this matters.
Fusion
Global Moderator
I'm not advocating stifling discussion. Nor am I boasting about Asif and Akhter getting away with what they did. Lastly, I didn't go down the "none of this matters" slope. I said people are over-reacting. You will forgive me if I don't agree with the implications that what has recently transpired is something new and destructive for cricket. Like you stated, the doping scandal has given some on this board a great opportunity take "cute digs" at Pakistan cricket. The only way their digs have resonance is if they make it sound like cricket is facing its biggest crisis since the sport was formed. I suggest we are no where close to that. Hence my own personal rant about keeping it in perspective and relaxing a little.