***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Scaly piscine]

Wow, what a charecter this guy is. I mean he declared someone a cheat, that is a big accusation and he certainly should have POINTED OUT AS TO WHEN AND EXACTLY WHICH individual cheated, on top the guy even refused to let Inzi inspect the ball, saying that its his decision to change it and Inzi can't even inspect it

PPl who have been saying that 26 cameras can't capture each and every moment, i have a question from them, is Hair capable of capturing what everyone else can't do it? don't forget its that same Hair that has been giving rediculous decision against Pakistan since a decade.



That a laugh, when can never tell if the ball has actually been tampered. One need a clear proof before one can label someone a cheat.Waqar was labelled once as he was caught doing it, so was Dravid and Cronje, however this time around its a mystery as noone has been seen doing tampering the ball.

Accustaion of cheating must be done on the basis of solid evidence, rather than on assumstions and personal bias.

Err yea, because if there was any evidence they'd just immediately release it for you to have a look at wouldn't they?

Oh cool I'm on 6660 posts, that means I get to be extra mean to people for my next 9 posts.

 

[PY]

Well it was his baby. I'm sure there are about 30 people doing their neck in as I type trying to look at that.

Done, you lazy sod.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Interesting. How much damage one can do to a ball with ones fingernails is debatable (I have one here now and am struggling to make an impression, the ball is fairly new though) also the accusation seemed to suggest seam lifting rather than bottle-top style cuts in the ball itself.

The photo is not evidence enough for me per se as regards raising of the seam. What we can say is that the photo contains "dodgy" shenanigans, what we can also say is we cannot prove a thing from that photo until we have evidence of its origin, photographer, player involved, time taken etc. If the photo was taken between 14:15-14:30 we might be getting somewhere.

Didn't Hair say someone had picked at the quarter-seam? That could easily be what's going on in that picture I think - bits of leather often flake off around the quarter-seam, and maybe the player is using his fingernails to exacerbate that? All very suspicious to my eyes.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Anyway presumably *if* that picture is what it says it is then I would guess that's Mohammed Asif on it - given it says it's a bowler and he's the only one who's left handed (right hand bowl left arm bat)

If that proves to be the case (particularly as every player denied "under oath" to Woolmer during tea according to his interview with Athers' today) then the player/s involved sucks cok by choice.

 

[PY]

If that proves to be the case (particularly as every player denied "under oath" to Woolmer during tea according to his interview with Athers' today) then the player/s involved sucks cok by choice.

Ahem...

Inappropriate ol' Pedders!

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Didn't Hair say someone had picked at the quarter-seam? That could easily be what's going on in that picture I think - bits of leather often flake off around the quarter-seam, and maybe the player is using his fingernails to exacerbate that? All very suspicious to my eyes.

I don't think I know what a quarter seam is Barney tbh.

The picture shows some chap picking at the top side of a ball nowhere near the actual seam (in relative terms) as I know it.

 

[silentstriker]

If this photo of someone using their fingernails is real, then you may just have what you want. We'll know soon enough.

That, to me, looks like ball-tampering. I wish it didn't, but it's hard not to see it from that.

Yes, but its hard to tell from one shot...he isn't really working on the seam at all. But if it turns out to be true, then all the blame would rest on pakistan. Hair still should have let Inzamam inspect the ball, but the fault can only be Pakistans'. And I would not be opposed to heavy fines and supsensions for Pakistan. I have no patience for cheaters.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Ahem...

Inappropriate ol' Pedders!

I'm usually so well behaved too...

Soz.

 

[Langeveldt]

British papers managing to criticize both Hair and the Pakistan team at the same time.. As we all know, two wrongs always make a right

 

[steds]

I'm usually so well behaved too...

Soz.

Not mentioned Mark Wright today, either. Obviously not yourself of late.

 

[Langeveldt]

Wait till the ICC start throwing their weight around regarding what has gone on during this fiasco, it will be like throwing Hugh Heffner into a bag full of ****..

 

[Mecnun]

It's a shame that the crux of the issue is the alteration between over 52 and 56, sum total one four and no sixes. It would have been a good, if slightly sensationalist, argument otherwise.

If alteration between 52-56 is the actual 'crux of the issue' and that Hair or Doctrove actually checked the ball when the wiket went down. Given their incompetancy (yes I think they are both incompetent umpires) I am not convinced they did pay particular attention to the ball, at this moment in time unless there is some proof.

With the slow mo's they got now they can should be able to watch footage to prove whether the ball had that mark on it prior to the wicket going down. The issue then would be the marked worsening/deterioration of the already existing mark. I must admit when I saw the ball on TV it didnt look like anything untoward had happened to it.. There was an area of discolouration. I wouldnt mind seeing a close up of the ball.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Not mentioned Mark Wright today, either. Obviously not yourself of late.

If I was clever enough to get Wrighty involved somehow I would have done so

 

[deeps]

Interesting. How much damage one can do to a ball with ones fingernails is debatable (I have one here now and am struggling to make an impression, the ball is fairly new though) also the accusation seemed to suggest seam lifting rather than bottle-top style cuts in the ball itself.

The photo is not evidence enough for me per se as regards raising of the seam. What we can say is that the photo contains "dodgy" shenanigans, what we can also say is we cannot prove a thing from that photo until we have evidence of its origin, photographer, player involved, time taken etc. If the photo was taken between 14:15-14:30 we might be getting somewhere.

The photo imo shuld be discounted as evidence, unless they can produce the rest of it (if there is anymore). This photo could have been taken any day, it might not even be a pakistani for all we know.

It's a coloured pair of hands picking at a cricket ball. That could happen anywhere in the world

He doesn't seem to be picking near the seam either, and more than likely is just the person removing grass, or something like that.

 

[deeps]

ok what exactly is the QUARTER seam.

 

[Langeveldt]

You can't prove ball tampering with a still image, unless obviously there is a bloody great bottle top in the mix etc.

 

[Langeveldt]

ok what exactly is the QUARTER seam.

If the seam is the equivalent of the equator, the quarter seam is the Greenwich meridian..

 

[Neil Pickup]

I'm doing the same with a ball that looks about the same age. It's perfectly easy, using exactly the same grip on it that the Pakistani player above is usung, to get underneath the quarter-seam.

The ball looks fine here...

But if you lift the flap...

Then you get major air resistance and much swing. That's the theory, at least...

 

[Langeveldt]

Neil Pickup, having a banging Monday afternoon

 

[Mecnun]

He doesn't seem to be picking near the seam either, and more than likely is just the person removing grass, or something like that.

Totally agree and what I thought when I saw the pic. Grass or a hanging piece of leather being removed or cleaning the quarter seem is the faint seam that is prependiular to the normal seam.