***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Sanz]

That metro picture is a non-story. Unless they can produce the full picture, who took it, approximately what time, then it's not even worth discussing. And even after they do that, that picture is hardly any proof that tampering is going on. That hardly looks like someone lifting the seam. It could have been a mini second of someone's nail brushing the ball to remove dirt that got captured. Or any number of other explanations. If metro has a series of photos showing this, or if Sky can produce video based on the approximate time, then we have something. Otherwise, blah.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[Jono]

Pietersen hit two 6s in his innings Sanz, what do you mean he never hit that ball for six?

Whether you mean he never hit the ball for 6 in the period in question (2:15 - 2:30), then yep you'd be correct.

 

[Goughy]

That metro picture is a non-story. Unless they can produce the full picture, who took it, approximately what time, then it's not even worth discussing. And even after they do that, that picture is hardly any proof that tampering is going on. That hardly looks like someone lifting the seam. It could have been a mini second of someone's nail brushing the ball to remove dirt that got captured. Or any number of other explanations. If metro has a series of photos showing this, or if Sky can produce video based on the approximate time, then we have something. Otherwise, blah.

Yeh, I agree. The picture doent really show anything conclusive. It seems that the only people to have done well out of this unsavoury affair are Metro, James and the other cricket websites.

 

[Sanz]

Pietersen hit two 6s in his innings Sanz, what do you mean he never hit that ball for six?

Whether you mean he never hit the ball for 6 in the period in question (2:15 - 2:30), then yep you'd be correct.

If I am not mistaken, I think KP hit those Sixes after the ball was replaced.

I never suggested that KP hit any six in his innings, I was merely pointing out that the Ball in question was not the one hit by KP for any of his Sixes. Hence Bobby is wrong in saying what he said.

 

[Jono]

Did KP hit his 2 sixes after the ball tampering incident? I was unaware of that if that is the case.

Mind you, hitting the ball for 4 often results in it going over the fence or scuffing up somehow.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

I concur too fwiw, until Metro say (and prove) who, where, when exactly etc. Even then it might be difficult to decide if tampering is happening, maybe dirt is being removed or something. All I would say on that is if you need to remove/clean the ball extraordinarily (with ones nails for example) then it should be done in front of the umpire, not exactly a serious charge though as I understand it, more carelessness.

All conjecture currently though.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Out of interest, is there any news about whether bookmakers are paying out for an England victory?

Paddy Power are paying out on an England victory and refunding all other bets.

 

[open365]

An umpire doesn't need catergorical video evidence or even know the player who did it to call ball tampering.

Darrel Hair acted the laws of the game to the letter, you can not fault him in that regard.

 

[silentstriker]

An umpire doesn't need catergorical video evidence or even know the player who did it to call ball tampering.

Darrel Hair acted the laws of the game to the letter, you can not fault him in that regard.

He acted within the laws but without common sense. You don't accuse someone of something like that unless you specifically see it. And then he refused to let Inzamam see the evidence that labeled him a cheat. That IMO is pathetic.

The Asian bloc should exert some influence and refuse to play in all matches where he is the umpire.


I am sure Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka will agree. Bangladesh will probably join them too. And more than likely WI can be persuaded by India to vote with them (if it comes to that)...so that will be Pakista, India, Sri Lanka, Bangaldesh and West Indies vs. England, Australia and South Africa.

Lets see what happens.

 

[PY]

Yeah, that sounds like a splendid idea.

Let's make cricket like boxing and have 2 different groups of teams and different rules for each of them. Because I don't think it's over-dramatising to say that if the Asian bloc try and do something like that then it'll split the game in half.

 

[silentstriker]

Yeah, that sounds like a splendid idea.

Let's make cricket like boxing and have 2 different groups of teams and different rules for each of them.

When did I say that?

Because I don't think it's over-dramatising to say that if the Asian bloc try and do something like that then it'll split the game in half.

Doubtful, over an umpire.

 

[open365]

He acted within the laws but without common sense. You don't accuse someone of something like that unless you specifically see it. And then he refused to let Inzamam see the evidence that labeled him a cheat. That IMO is pathetic.

The Asian bloc should exert some influence and refuse to play in all matches where he is the umpire.


I am sure Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka will agree. Bangladesh will probably join them too. And more than likely WI can be persuaded by India to vote with them (if it comes to that)...so that will be Pakista, India, Sri Lanka, Bangaldesh and West Indies vs. England, Australia and South Africa.

Lets see what happens.

When Darrel Hair walked into the dressing room, the ball was all the way back in the match refferee's office, he came there to ask if Pakistan wanted to continue playing, not to start another controversial argument. If Darrel Hair had the ball on him at the time, then it would have been stupid if he didn't let Inzy see it, but as it was, i think Darrel Hair was right to say what he did.

And anyway, i think Inzamam would have punched him if he showed him a ball with no evident marks of ball tampering(presumpiton but that's probably the case) and even though it would be great to see Inzamam punch him or argue with him, it would have only led to more ill feeling and probably a dissent fine for Inzy.

 

[PY]

The Asian bloc should exert some influence and refuse to play in all matches where he is the umpire.

^^^ What do you think will happen if this set of events plays out then?

It'd be like the subcontinent holding certain tours to ransom. And you say, it won't happen over an umpire but isn't that exactly the reason you're suggesting doing it for?

 

[open365]

And another note, i don't see how they will allow Asian teams not to have Darrel Hair as an umpire.

By not having him as an umpire, your labelling him as a racist which would lead to all sorts of reasonable questions whenever he gives a dodgy decision against an Asian player playing for another side.

 

[silentstriker]

When Darrel Hair walked into the dressing room, the ball was all the way back in the match refferee's office, he came there to ask if Pakistan wanted to continue playing, not to start another controversial argument. If Darrel Hair had the ball on him at the time, then it would have been stupid if he didn't let Inzy see it, but as it was, i think Darrel Hair was right to say what he did.

Darrel Hair was asked about the ball while they were on the field.

And anyway, i think Inzamam would have punched him if he showed him a ball with no evident marks of ball tampering(presumpiton but that's probably the case) and even though it would be great to see Inzamam punch him or argue with him, it would have only led to more ill feeling and probably a dissent fine for Inzy.

I highly doubt Hair was worried about his physical safety when he refused to let Inzy see the ball. That is a ridiculous notion.

 

[silentstriker]

^^^ What do you think will happen if this set of events plays out then?

It'd be like the subcontinent holding certain tours to ransom. And you say, it won't happen over an umpire but isn't that exactly the reason you're suggesting doing it for?

No, I am simply saying they should combine forces to vote him out of the elite panel. No tours would be held hostage then, its just democracy in action.

 

[silentstriker]

And another note, i don't see how they will allow Asian teams not to have Darrel Hair as an umpire.

By not having him as an umpire, your labelling him as a racist which would lead to all sorts of reasonable questions whenever he gives a dodgy decision against an Asian player playing for another side.

Who is "they"? If the majority of the teams agree (India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, West Indies), then that is that.

 

[jack_sparrow]

After all the results and facts and opinions observed, the united states of jack sparrow announces daryll hair a terrorist state. Unilteral action will be taken against the racist by the united states of jack sparrow.

seriously, mr. hair is quite the dumbass. I hope the crowds get em in asia. better he should join is australian friend in australia, who just left lanka in a frenzy.

 

[open365]

Darrel Hair was asked about the ball while they were on the field.



I highly doubt Hair was worried about his physical safety when he refused to let Inzy see the ball. That is a ridiculous notion.

Really? That's not the story i heard.

It's not whether Hair worried about physical harm, it's the pincipal rule of being in charge of anything, you never start arguing with a player about why you gave the decision.

 

[silentstriker]

Really? That's not the story i heard.

It's not whether Hair worried about physical harm, it's the pincipal rule of being in charge of anything, you never start arguing with a player about why you gave the decision.

It is not an argument to let him examine the evidence that labeled him a cheat.