***Official*** Pakistan in England

[marc71178]

So if the decision goes against Hair, the ICC would cover up the truth and only tell us what they want us to hear. But if it's against Pakistan, I'm sure the "truth" would've come out, right?

Tell me where I've said that?

Oh that's right, I haven't.

 

[marc71178]

In that case, your statement regarding evidence is simply unjustified.

How is it?

Speed has hinted that there is evidence from the umpires (which nobody except the umpires can dispute, regardless of how many people want to acuse Hair (whilst simultaneously absolving Doctrove))

However, that evidence will be presented to a closed panel, so it is quite possible that we will not know what it was that they've seen (and I would suggest more likely than not that we won't)

 

[marc71178]

they've already said their piece, haven't they?....and they are going to repeat it at the trial....and if they saw something other than the "condition of the ball", why haven't they come out and said it?...

Oh I don't know, maybe the ICC have told them to present evidence directly to them so that they can make a judgement rather than letting the media decide for them?

all this controversy could've been avoided if the umpires had visual evidence of pakistani player(s) tampering....

And no doubt you can conclusively prove that they didn't then, bearing in mind Speed's comments?

 

[social]

they've already said their piece, haven't they?....and they are going to repeat it at the trial....and if they saw something other than the "condition of the ball", why haven't they come out and said it?...all this controversy could've been avoided if the umpires had visual evidence of pakistani player(s) tampering....

or if Inzy had chosen to do what every other captain in the history of test cricket has done - continued playing

 

[gunner]

sure,
we still have to see ponting in that position

 

[Anil]

Oh I don't know, maybe the ICC have told them to present evidence directly to them so that they can make a judgement rather than letting the media decide for them?





And no doubt you can conclusively prove that they didn't then, bearing in mind Speed's comments?

obviously i can't conclusively prove anything, neither can you, the point is in something as controversial and as widely publicized as this, where even hair's confidential retirement offer was publicized by speed, if there was any real evidence other than the alleged condition of the ball, that would've been most likely revealed by now....in any case, we'll see how they dress it up at the hearing....speed's "evidence" comments just lead me to believe that whether hair gets any stick for this or not, inzy and maybe some other pakistan team members are quite likely to....

 

[Anil]

or if Inzy had chosen to do what every other captain in the history of test cricket has done - continued playing

sure...sure...he should've just shut up and kept playing....he and his team are cheats by default, aren't they?

 

[Fusion]

or if Inzy had chosen to do what every other captain in the history of test cricket has done - continued playing

How many Captains in history have been accused of ball tampering without proof? We know by his statements that if Nasser Hussain was Captain and the same had happened to him, he would've done the exact same thing. So stop trying to make it sound like Inzi's actions were so shockingly bad that NO ONE ELSE would've done the same.

 

[BoyBrumby]

How many Captains in history have been accused of ball tampering without proof? We know by his statements that if Nasser Hussain was Captain and the same had happened to him, he would've done the exact same thing. So stop trying to make it sound like Inzi's actions were so shockingly bad that NO ONE ELSE would've done the same.

Two points there. Firstly we equally don't know that there isn't any evidence in exactly the same way that we don't know that there is; secondly Nasser Hussain would've been equally culpable as Inzi & so would anyone else (IIRC Graham Thorpe has said he would've done the same thing too) who did so. A shared folly is still a folly.

As I've said before the whole "national pride" thing doesn't really wash as an explanation or an excuse (Afridi & Shoaib are still in the team despite having both been caught cheating), so we must assume Pakistan (I don't think Inzi was the instigator) had a different agenda. As Sherlock Holmes would have it, when one eliminates the impossible, what remains must be the truth.

What the different agenda is, I can only speculate. Personally I would think that they'd be quite keen to have Hair removed from the umpire's panel as they have had "previous" with him before; their non-appearance was a bit of grandstanding that blew up in their face.

 

[social]

How many Captains in history have been accused of ball tampering without proof? We know by his statements that if Nasser Hussain was Captain and the same had happened to him, he would've done the exact same thing. So stop trying to make it sound like Inzi's actions were so shockingly bad that NO ONE ELSE would've done the same.

You keep on about no proof - just how do you know this?

There was a ball and 2 of the best umpires in the world.

U think they got together and said "what the hell, this match is boring so let's stir it up a bit by accusing someone of ball tampering without any evidence whatsoever."

As for Nasser Hussain - great example. Judging by his captaincy record, his leadership skills could be documented on the head of a pin.

 

[Swervy]

As for Nasser Hussain - great example. Judging by his captaincy record, his leadership skills could be documented on the head of a pin.

i think you are a bit off the mark there

 

[PY]

As Sherlock Holmes would have it, when one eliminates the impossible, what remains must be the truth.

"We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

 

[social]

i think you are a bit off the mark there

Yeah, probably unfair on Nasser but one would hope that calmer heads would prevail if others found themselves in the same situation.

 

[marc71178]

sure...sure...he should've just shut up and kept playing.

How come he did that then?

Or do the 50odd minutes not count?

 

[marc71178]

Meanwhile back on the pitch (why is it a 10.15 start, sheer lunacy!)

Have we lost the benefit of the toss already?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Meanwhile back on the pitch (why is it a 10.15 start, sheer lunacy!)

Have we lost the benefit of the toss already?

We're amongst them now!

 

[BoyBrumby]

Colly bags Inzi. Looking good for England.

 

[Fusion]

Well Pakistan displaying appaling form. What a poor way to finish off this tour. Very disapointing.

 

[aussie]

Mahmood is so unpredictable, but when he gets it right, you see why the England management keep persisting with him

 

[BoyBrumby]

Younis goes attempting the reverse sweep. Think that's pretty much it.

I'll wait to see how we bat before I put the bunting out just yet tho.