***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Armadillo]

Predictable response from you, Scaly. So you find it completely mind boggling that Pakistan did what they did? To support them and understand their hurt is a crime?
The Pakistan team has just been accused of cheating with no justification whatsoever. Other teams back them, so their reputation can immediately be discredited?

 

[Isolator]

Once Pakistan had been accused, they should grin and bare it until the close of play.

I don't see why any team should have take that sort of rubbish. I think any team in such a position is within its rights to say "right, we're not taking this crap - the accusation is baseless and unfair, and we now refuse to accept the authority of the umpire/s until there is an official acknowledgement of having screwed up".

 

[Armadillo]

I don't see why any team should have take that sort of rubbish. I think any team in such a position is within its rights to say "right, we're not taking this crap - the accusation is baseless and unfair, and we now refuse to accept the authority of the umpire/s until there is an official acknowledgement of having screwed up".

Amen to that!

 

[Scaly piscine]

Predictable response from you, Scaly. So you find it completely mind boggling that Pakistan did what they did? To support them and understand their hurt is a crime?
The Pakistan team has just been accused of cheating with no justification whatsoever. Other teams back them, so their reputation can immediately be discredited?

What Pakistan did in sulking in their dressing room was wrong but at least the had some mitigating circumstances in that their pride was hurt, anger etc. Bangladesh and SL have time to think about it objectively and still manage to botch their decision.

Again there's this rubbish "The Pakistan team has just been accused of cheating with no justification whatsoever". I do wish these idiotic comments and those that make them would be blocked from this thread so there can be some proper debate instead of having to rebut this garbage every few posts. You have no idea whether there was justification or not, so shut up about it.

 

[social]

I don't see why any team should have take that sort of rubbish. I think any team in such a position is within its rights to say "right, we're not taking this crap - the accusation is baseless and unfair, and we now refuse to accept the authority of the umpire/s until there is an official acknowledgement of having screwed up".

That's ridiculous - what youre advocating is letting the lunatics run the asylum.

 

[Sanz]

I am absolutely shocked that India are not backing Pakistan. That hits me out of left field. I thought it was a given.

Suprising, to say the least. I guess I was wrong earlier in the thread regarding the Asian bloc voting him out.

I dont like this 'with us or without us' approach. I personally dont support Pakistan's approach on this controversy and IMO they are equally responsible.

 

[Rajeev]

About BCCI Support, hmmmmm

This was duriing Mike Deness

Pakistan's cricket chief warned that the sport would become a "joke" if the Mike Denness debacle was not swiftly resolved.

"Cricket is becoming a joke unless something is done quickly to set things right," Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Lieutenant-General Tauqir Zia told Reuters.

The United Cricket Board of South Africa (UCBSA) defied the ICC on Thursday and replaced Denness, referee for Friday's third match with India, after he handed Sachin Tendulkar a fine and a suspended one-match ban for ball-tampering in the drawn second Test.

The ICC responded by stripping the third game between the two teams of official Test status.

Zia said: "We are distressed by the present crisis in world cricket but Pakistan still regards ICC as the supreme governing body of the game.

"But we feel it should also remain a neutral body, and all its rules and regulations and the code of conduct should be enforced with uniformity and consistency for all member countries and players."

Zia does not expect the crisis to cause a split in the ICC and the formation of a breakaway Asian cricket bloc. "I don't think this is going to happen. The present crisis is bad for the image of the game," he said. "But it is time the ICC also looked into the reasons for such a situation developing in the first place.

"The ICC and its officials do not have uniformity in implementing rules and regulations. I don't want to complain. But it is a fact that these have not been enforced with uniformity for all players.

"There have been several incidents where match referees or umpires have interpreted or enforced rules and sanctions differently for different players and teams. This needs to be corrected," Zia said.

He added that while Denness was within his rights to penalise Tendulkar after watching replays on television, this was something which should have been left up to the umpires. "They are the ones who watch everything on field. Which is why Pakistan is asking for more powers to be given to the umpires on and off the field."

India also won guarded support from PCB director Brigadier Munawwar Rana. "We believe that the Indians have not challenged the position of the match referee in the ICC, but some of his judgments in a particular match," he said. "We consider this a matter between India and the ICC and the UCBSA. Our feeling is the Indians are entitled to their point of view."

 

[Kweek]

to me it sounds that Pakistan agreed with being cheats and not coming out to play..if you really havn't cheated you go out there and prove everyone wrong...!

 

[Armadillo]

Again there's this rubbish "The Pakistan team has just been accused of cheating with no justification whatsoever". I do wish these idiotic comments and those that make them would be blocked from this thread so there can be some proper debate instead of having to rebut this garbage every few posts. You have no idea whether there was justification or not, so shut up about it.

You tell me where the proof is then. Infact show me the footage in which a Pakistan player is shown to be tampering with the ball.

 

[Fusion]

to me it sounds that Pakistan agreed with being cheats and not coming out to play..if you really havn't cheated you go out there and prove everyone wrong...!

That's the most rubbish logic I've read in a while.

 

[Fusion]

Some further news:


The Pakistan Cricket Board have appointed specialist lawyers DLA Piper to represent captain Inzamam-ul-Haq when he faces charges at an International Cricket Council disciplinary hearing on Friday.

Inzamam faces two charges of breaching the code of conduct after his side refused to return to the field in protest at ball-tampering allegations from on-field umpires Darrell Hair and Billy Doctrove in the final Test at The Oval on Sunday.

Shahriyar Khan, the chairman of the PCB, said: "We are determined to defend these charges vigorously and we wanted to make sure that we have the best possible representation."

Inzamam's case will be put by, among others, Mark Gay, head of DLA Piper's sports group.

He has previously worked for the England and Wales Cricket Board when they had issues about the team travelling to Zimbabwe during the last World Cup four years ago.

Gay has also worked with the FA Premier League on the sale of television rights and the Ashley Cole tapping-up case.

"We are delighted to be representing Inzamam against these allegations and we are confident that justice will prevail in this case," he said.

source: http://www.sportinglife.com/cricket...ricket/06/08/22/CRICKET_Pakistan_Lawyers.html

 

[Kweek]

if you want to prove people wrong about you, you go out there, and show people that they are wrong...
in this way I think Pakistan just agrees with it...obviously they don't, but show some pride and go out there, now they are sobbing in there dressing room, get over it and play the game, and sort it out after the game ffs.

 

[Sanz]

About BCCI Support, hmmmmm

This was duriing Mike Deness

Pakistan's cricket chief warned that the sport would become a "joke" if the Mike Denness debacle was not swiftly resolved.

"Cricket is becoming a joke unless something is done quickly to set things right," Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Lieutenant-General Tauqir Zia told Reuters.

The United Cricket Board of South Africa (UCBSA) defied the ICC on Thursday and replaced Denness, referee for Friday's third match with India, after he handed Sachin Tendulkar a fine and a suspended one-match ban for ball-tampering in the drawn second Test.

The ICC responded by stripping the third game between the two teams of official Test status.

Zia said: "We are distressed by the present crisis in world cricket but Pakistan still regards ICC as the supreme governing body of the game.

"But we feel it should also remain a neutral body, and all its rules and regulations and the code of conduct should be enforced with uniformity and consistency for all member countries and players."

Zia does not expect the crisis to cause a split in the ICC and the formation of a breakaway Asian cricket bloc. "I don't think this is going to happen. The present crisis is bad for the image of the game," he said. "But it is time the ICC also looked into the reasons for such a situation developing in the first place.

"The ICC and its officials do not have uniformity in implementing rules and regulations. I don't want to complain. But it is a fact that these have not been enforced with uniformity for all players.

"There have been several incidents where match referees or umpires have interpreted or enforced rules and sanctions differently for different players and teams. This needs to be corrected," Zia said.

He added that while Denness was within his rights to penalise Tendulkar after watching replays on television, this was something which should have been left up to the umpires. "They are the ones who watch everything on field. Which is why Pakistan is asking for more powers to be given to the umpires on and off the field."

India also won guarded support from PCB director Brigadier Munawwar Rana. "We believe that the Indians have not challenged the position of the match referee in the ICC, but some of his judgments in a particular match," he said. "We consider this a matter between India and the ICC and the UCBSA. Our feeling is the Indians are entitled to their point of view."

Thank You.

 

[Fusion]

if you want to prove people wrong about you, you go out there, and show people that they are wrong...
in this way I think Pakistan just agrees with it...obviously they don't, but show some pride and go out there, now they are sobbing in there dressing room, get over it and play the game, and sort it out after the game ffs.

You stated Pakistan agreed to being cheats when they didn't come out and play. You can disagree about their form of protest, but to suggest that they admitted guilt by not coming out to play is utter rubbish. And IMO they did "show some pride" by doing what they did. Easy for you to say that they should get over it. You weren't labelled a cheat in front of millions of people.

 

[Fusion]

Thank You.

So you're saying the "full" lack of support is tit for tat? Not anything to do with what's right and wrong?

 

[Kweek]

if I was labelled a cheat infront of million of people, i'd prove them that I'm not..and to be honoust I wouldnt care, aslong as I know that i'm not.

 

[steds]

Thank You.

No problem.

 

[SA]

SJS, earlier you pointed out that Imran is a politician and as such will make comments that suit him. I for one don't believe for a second that he would've stayed and played the game. Imran had the biggest ego in Pakistan cricket history and if he and his team were called cheats he would've stormed out right there and then. Same goes for Javed.

Absolutely rubbish.Imran may be a politician but he almost always makes sensible comments and doesn't try to score out of sensitive issues,unlike most of the other Pakistani politicians.I think if he was in place of Inzamam,he would've done same as what he's said.Unlike Inzamam,Imran knows the rules and would've reacted more sensibly in this situation to win the sympathies of whole world.And if Inzamam had done as what said by Imran,Hair certainly would've been in more trouble than he is right now.And have u forgotten what Miandad & co. did when Pakistan were accused of ball tampering in 1992?

As for the other Pakistani players you quoted, most of them seem to be faulting Inzi for not reacting fast enough. They all seem to be saying that he should've either walked off the field right away, or not make an issue until after the game. It's their opinion, but I disagree. They weren't in Inzi's position.

Aaqib,Sarfaraz & Intikhab don't agree with what Inzamam & co.did.

 

[Fusion]

if I was labelled a cheat infront of million of people, i'd prove them that I'm not..and to be honoust I wouldnt care, aslong as I know that i'm not.

How would you prove that you weren't? The ball is not being presented to be reviewed by the public or the press. The umpire is not naming any specific player and is not saying that he personally saw anyone tamper. So how exactly would you prove that you didn't cheat by simply going out and playing? Mind you, I think it would've been the BETTER decision by Pakistan to do just that, but I don't see how doing so would've exonorated them.

 

[viktor]

if I was labelled a cheat infront of million of people, i'd prove them that I'm not..and to be honoust I wouldnt care, aslong as I know that i'm not.

It really isn't that simple. It is very easy to be idealistic and say I wouldn't care so long as I knew that I hadn't. You have not been labelled a cheat in front of a million people. Your credibility and that of your team's hasn't been questioned by all and sundry for more than a decade. Like someone else said, you can disagree with their form of protest but don't take it as a tacit acceptance of guilt.