***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Sanz]

according to Ceefax, Woolmer reckons that the odi's are in danger if Inzi picks up the 8 match ban that's beeing mooted.

In that case, England have another reason to celebrate.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

In that case, England have another reason to celebrate.

Apart from the TV and attendance money lost...

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

As a side issue, what on earth is the point of the 5 run penalty for ball tampering?

More importantly, according to Ceefax, Woolmer reckons that the odi's are in danger if Inzi picks up the 8 match ban that's beeing mooted. Quite what the implications of that would be doesn't bear thinking about.

Why? Doesn't that portray them as bad losers and possibly put them below Hair? Even if Inzamam is found gulity, with little evidence to suggest he is, pulling out of the ODIs is not the best action - particularly given how much the PCB have stressed that they want their good relations with the ECB to continue.

 

[Fusion]

The umpire doesn't need to know ho did it to call ball tampering. It is perfectly legitimate for him to look at the state of the ball and say it's been tampered with.

Yes, by the letter of the law he can. But should he? Let's see what others have to say:

Ian Botham: "To accuse an individual, or a team, of cheating, you need conclusive evidence -not just to look at a few scuff-marks and make assumptions about how they got there"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/crick...94762&headline=i-blame-the-icc-name_page.html

Boycott: "Hair might be correct in the strict letter of the law but this is not the same as giving someone out lbw or stumped. This is a matter that needed to be dealt with sensitively and Hair came across as being too officious."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2006/08/21/scboyc21.xml

Dickie Bird (audio): "I don't think you can start accusing people until you've got concrete proof. And you've got to be 100% certain. You've got to see them do it."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/spo...d4_16x9_nb.asx

Nasser Hussain: "Did Darrell Hair actually see a member of the Pakistan team tampering with a cricket ball? Has he got proof? If he hasn't then he has made a massive mistake"

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/21082006/4/hussain-backs-pakistan-stance.html

 

[open365]

That doesn't change a thing.

And i'm not arguing, i highly doubt that they did tamper the ball until the result from the ICC comes in.

 

[Sanz]

Apart from the TV and attendance money lost...

I meant for the fans, they dont have go through the pains to see England playing in ODIs and not mention losing.

 

[Fusion]

By the way, that Metro picture that was published was taken AFTER THE BALL WAS CHANGED, and it was Shahid Nazir holding the ball. That's what the agency that took the picture is stating. Plus, as discussed already, the pic doesn't really prove anything anyway. Metro doing tabloid journalism. They should be printing an apology tomorrow. Goto www.ppauk.com, click on "Editorial Use" and then search for "The Oval". That would bring up a list of photos, including the one in question here with the below description. The description clearly states it was after the ball had already been changed:

"CONTAVERSEY OVER BALL TAMPERING BY PAKISTAN AS PAKISTAN'S SHAHID NAZIR PREPARES TO BOWL AFTER THE INCIDENT - ENGLAND V PAKISTAN - 4TH NPOWER TEST - PHOTO mandatory by-line: Phil Mingo/Pinnacle - Photo Agency UK Tel: +44(0)1363 881025 - Mobile:0797 1270 681 - VAT Reg No: 768 6958 48 - 20/08/2006 - THE FOURTH TEST - THE BRIT OVAL, LONDON, ENGLAND"

 

[barmyarmy]

By the way, that Metro picture that was published was taken AFTER THE BALL WAS CHANGED, and it was Shahid Nazir holding the ball. That's what the agency that took the picture is stating. Plus, as discussed already, the pic doesn't really prove anything anyway. Metro doing tabloid journalism. They should be printing an apology tomorrow. Goto www.ppauk.com, click on "Editorial Use" and then search for "The Oval". That would bring up a list of photos, including the one in question here with the below description. The description clearly states it was after the ball had already been changed:

"CONTAVERSEY OVER BALL TAMPERING BY PAKISTAN AS PAKISTAN'S SHAHID NAZIR PREPARES TO BOWL AFTER THE INCIDENT - ENGLAND V PAKISTAN - 4TH NPOWER TEST - PHOTO mandatory by-line: Phil Mingo/Pinnacle - Photo Agency UK Tel: +44(0)1363 881025 - Mobile:0797 1270 681 - VAT Reg No: 768 6958 48 - 20/08/2006 - THE FOURTH TEST - THE BRIT OVAL, LONDON, ENGLAND"

I think that's been mentioned several times. They are a lot of very angry comments on the Metro website too.

 

[Fusion]

I think that's been mentioned several times. They are a lot of very angry comments on the Metro website too.

Oh. Nevermind then.

 

[PY]

I think that's been mentioned several times. They are a lot of very angry comments on the Metro website too.

A fair load of those are from pillocks who are copying each other though.

I look forward to reading their apology tomorrow morning.

 

[superkingdave]

Cricketweb gets on the first page of Google news if you type in 'ball tampering'... type in metro ball tampering and its the top link

 

[Langeveldt]

Cricketweb gets on the first page of Google news if you type in 'ball tampering'... type in metro ball tampering and its the top link

Yeah, must have been all my posts.. Yerrr

 

[barmyarmy]

http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1913900.cms

IndiaTimes has now picked up the Afridi story. I just wish my cricinfo guy would stop telling me he can't post it!

edit: another reply

There are libel laws to consider, Colin, which is probably why none of
the reputable wire services like Reuters, PA and AP have filed anything

Think I'll just give up and go to bed!

 

[barmyarmy]

Cricketweb gets on the first page of Google news if you type in 'ball tampering'... type in metro ball tampering and its the top link

Although that article probably needs updating now...

 

[silentstriker]

Have Pakistan been exonerated yet? Nope, so cut this rubbish out until we know one way or the other.

Interesting interview from Afridi.

If proven that they cheated, or that stories about Hair not showing the captain the ball are false - my stance would change.

 

[Fusion]

http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1913900.cms

IndiaTimes has now picked up the Afridi story. I just wish my cricinfo guy would stop telling me he can't post it!

edit: another reply


Think I'll just give up and go to bed!

Your source is right. If this interview was legit, everyone (credible) would be running it by now. This interview would make for a fire cracker of a story, so people would be falling over themselves to print it. That hasn't happened. It's bogus.

 

[Langeveldt]

If its proven they have cheated, I think lots of people owe Hair an apology, including the Pakistani team.. I very much doubt any proof will be found though

 

[Fusion]

If its proven they have cheated, I think lots of people owe Hair an apology, including the Pakistani team.. I very much doubt any proof will be found though

If it's proven that they cheated, I would be the first to apologize for ripping Hair here. I would demand the same from the Pakistan team and would expect PCB to permanently ban the player who cheated (considering the severity of the uproar and the forfeit it's appropiate punishment). But if it's NOT proven, I would think everyone who's ripping Pakistan would join me in calling for Hair's firing.

 

[Scaly piscine]

If proven that they cheated, or that stories about Hair not showing the captain the ball are false - my stance would change.

Oh right, guilty til proven innocent, the same thing a lot of people are whinging about concerning Pakistan's accusation in the first place - even tho with concern to the judgement on Hair people have no idea what the facts are.


Edit: Actually more of a guilty without proof to be more precise, but you get the idea.

 

[barmyarmy]

Anyone who is near Sky Sports News they apparently have tomorrows Telegraph with "Asif Accused" as the headline (nothing online yet). It seems that Fletcher has pointed the finger at Asif.
They will be showing back pages again in 15 minutes.