***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Gotchya]

But how does it hurt your pride if you know your not guilty?

When i play for my rugby team, the proudest moments are when we play on even though the ref isn't very good or is blatanly biased of if the team we are playing are blatant cheats. Triumphing over adversity is what makes you proud, not being petulant and giving up.

Clearly, the stakes are higher when you are playing for a national team, infront of the whole world.

Its not about personal pride.

 

[Jono]

Is that abandoned or awarded to England?

England can't really win a test which has no test status can they?

If that means Asif's wickets are removed from his record that'd suck

 

[Slow Love™]

The Pakistani version of the chronology is

1) Pakistan made a "mini-protest" after tea, intending to delay their arrival on the field.
2) As they began to emerge from the dressing room some five minutes late they found the umpires (understandably) already walking off the field
3) The umpires talked to the Pakistan team and issued an ultimatum saying that if they didn't take the field they would forfeit the game.
4) 15 minutes later the umpires walked out again, followed by the England batsman.
5) The Pakistan players (who previously "had no intention of refusing to play") now decided that, having been presented with the ultimatum, that they weren't going to play and failed to emerge from the dressing room. (apart from Kamran Akmal who felt a pressing need to read the News of the World on the balcony without his pads on)
6) The umpires awarded the game to England and left the field
7) The Pakistanis decided that they would play
8) The umpires refused to take the field.

I don't know that I'd put a lot of stock in this account, really - it reads as confused, more than a little editorialised and hardly sounds like "the Pakistani version". Out of curiosity, who described the "we won't play now that you've given us an ultimatum" part?

I just read on cricinfo that the test has been "abandoned". Don't know precisely what that means, but in all I've read in the official news, the game was never confirmed as being awarded to England (which is not to say that the umpires never awarded it, but the narrative was clearly left to be filled in at a later time as the afternoon progressed).

 

[Yahto]

Is that abandoned or awarded to England?

Logically it should be awarded to England. Umpire Hair wouldn't have flown home unless the test were over, and that could only mean the Umpires have awarded it to England.
I don't think the ICC would have been able to get replacement umpires anyway. Doctrove would have sided with Hair, and no other self respecting Elite panel umpire would have allowed the ICC to over rule the decision of one of their own.

And well, if it has been abandoned, its spineless of the ICC. Not that that's news.

 

[Xuhaib]

And playing on != no protest

When you completley loose respect for the offical how can you carry on.

 

[greg]

I don't know that I'd put a lot of stock in this account, really - it reads as confused, more than a little editorialised and hardly sounds like "the Pakistani version". Out of curiosity, who described the "we won't play now that you've given us an ultimatum" part?

I just read on cricinfo that the test has been "abandoned". Don't know precisely what that means, but in all I've read in the official news, the game was never confirmed as being awarded to England (which is not to say that the umpires never awarded it, but the narrative was clearly left to be filled in at a later time as the afternoon progressed).

This was the version related by the Chairman of the PCB. The only editorialising is the bits in brackets.

 

[FRAZ]

I don't know that I'd put a lot of stock in this account, really - it reads as confused, more than a little editorialised and hardly sounds like "the Pakistani version". Out of curiosity, who described the "we won't play now that you've given us an ultimatum" part?

I just read on cricinfo that the test has been "abandoned". Don't know precisely what that means, but in all I've read in the official news, the game was never confirmed as being awarded to England (which is not to say that the umpires never awarded it, but the narrative was clearly left to be filled in at a later time as the afternoon progressed).

welcome back . One of few persons ,I liked to read ..
Good decision in the end !!!

 

[Xuhaib]

Why are brit fans so hoping that England is awarded the match, its not as if England were already winning the match that no result would be like cheating England out of victory.

 

[Neil Pickup]

When you completley loose respect for the offical how can you carry on.

Respect for the sport and the opponents.

 

[TT Boy]

England can't really win a test which has no test status can they?

If that means Asif's wickets are removed from his record that'd suck

He went for nearly 80 odd in the second innings so I'm sure Asif won't be too unhappy.

 

[Yahto]

When you completley loose respect for the offical how can you carry on.

If you've completely lost respect for that official, why would you suddenly do a 180 degree turn and decide that you're willing to play after all ?

Do you have any suggestions as to what might have prompted such a turn around other than the fear of having to forfeit a test ?

 

[open365]

no protest = accepting umpires decision.

Couldn't they have protested after the game?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Is that abandoned or awarded to England?

"8.50pm The Test match has finally been called off after a farcical afternoon and evening on the fourth day. The actual result is, as yet, unknown, but we will keep you posted. "

 

[Neil Pickup]

Why are brit fans so hoping that England is awarded the match, its not as if England were already winning the match that no result would be like cheating England out of victory.

Nothing to do with being British (or even English):

Law 21.3: Umpires awarding a match
(a) A match shall be lost by a side which
either (i) concedes defeat
or (ii) in the opinion of the umpires refuses to play
and the umpires shall award the match to the other side.

(b) If an umpire considers that an action by any player or players might constitute a refusal by either side to play then the umpires together shall ascertain the cause of the action. If they then decide together that this action does constitute a refusal to play by one side, they shall so inform the captain of that side. If the captain persists in the action the umpires shall award the match in accordance with (a)(ii) above.

If we can ignore laws when we feel like it, where does it leave us?

 

[Langeveldt]

Why are brit fans so hoping that England is awarded the match, its not as if England were already winning the match that no result would be like cheating England out of victory.

Uh, Because 25,000 of our public who've paid 30 pounds for a ticket are getting conned out of a days play by Pakistans antics?

 

[Xuhaib]

If you've completely lost respect for that official, why would you suddenly do a 180 degree turn and decide that you're willing to play after all ?

Do you have any suggestions as to what might have prompted such a turn around other than the fear of having to forfeit a test ?

That was a pure case of diplomacy we could all see.

 

[Yahto]

Why are brit fans so hoping that England is awarded the match, its not as if England were already winning the match that no result would be like cheating England out of victory.

Brit fans aren't hoping for England to be awarded the match. They're hoping for Pakistan to pay for their ridiculous display. As Neil Pickup puts it, what now prevents a team from forcing abandonment in a test they're losing (for instance) ? An unhealthy precedent has been set.

 

[Xuhaib]

He went for nearly 80 odd in the second innings so I'm sure Asif won't be too unhappy.

Damm Faisal Iqbal for dropping a sitter at such a crucial stage of Asif

 

[Jono]

Why are brit fans so hoping that England is awarded the match, its not as if England were already winning the match that no result would be like cheating England out of victory.

Nah I feel the right decision would be Pakistan forfeiting and England winning the match, for as Pickup said, following the laws is the right move. However Pakistan should be prepared to face the brunt of this to prove their point and take their stance.

 

[open365]

Xuhaib you seem strangely reluctant to answer my question...