**Official** Pakistan in Australia Thread

[marc71178]

It is a better indicator of the possibility than anything else, however.

Personally I'd say his International form is a better indicator...

 

[Richard]

13 chances? How did we go from 1 to 13?

(Note: Apart from via the obvious route of 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12)

A chance on 13...

 

[Richard]

Personally I'd say his International form is a better indicator...

Yes, of course it is, but if the international career is inconclusive or non-existent the next-best thing has to be used.
In Razzaq's case I'd say his Test-career is inconclusive, not suggestive of a poor player.

 

[Son Of Coco]

A chance on 13...

That's not what 'a 13-chance 180*' implies without explanation..

I'd have a look at the situation myself. 180 not out with one chance where a lot of other recognised batsmen failed to a decent attack would rank higher than 250 against Bangladesh on a road.

 

[Jono]

I'd have a look at the situation myself. 180 not out with one chance where a lot of other recognised batsmen failed to a decent attack would rank higher than 250 against Bangladesh on a road.

100 bucks says he'll reply saying Bangladesh don't count, so quickly choose another team for the 250

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I'd have a look at the situation myself. 180 not out with one chance where a lot of other recognised batsmen failed to a decent attack would rank higher than 250 against Bangladesh on a road.

I'd say the 250 he is referring to is the one Langer made against England during the last Ashes. I would rate this innings higher, because a) the attack is much better in this case, and b) Australia was in a much worse situation at 5 down for very little than they ever were in that match, where Australia dominated from the very start.

Plus, if you saw how Langer struggled against some good bowling in the morning session to be 22* off 80 odd at lunch, the 160 runs he added after that are so much more impressive.

 

[AUST_HiTMaN]

Great days test cricket. Thoroughly enjoyed it, I must say.

Sami and Akhtar did some damage early on, but Gilly and Langer dug their heels in, which was good to see. Outfield looked a touch slow for some reason, balls were just pulling up short of the boundrey, when usually they would of crossed.

What was up with Lehmann's dissmissal? I saw it once on the video replay on the big screen, but havn't seen it again. Looks like Akhtar outsmarted him and threw down a outswinger down leg, and got him around his legs. Pretty poor stuff from Lehmann, if that is the case.

Looking forward to tomorrow.

 

[Jnr.]

I thought Shoaib made a huge mistake by bowler around the wicket to Langer early in the first session. I thought if Shoaib came over the wicket, he might've been able to get Langer in the same way as he got Hayden - lbw with a full inswinger.

 

[Sudeep]

Why is Waqar Younis commentating for Channel 9? Couldn't they find Rameez? Or even Wasim, as much as I think he's a potty commentator, would've done. But Waqar?

 

[imranrabb]

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Shoiab dismissing hayden and telling him where to go

Other pics pak vs aus

 

[tooextracool]

You're building a bit of a straw man here. Many people advocating further use of technology (myself included) are concentrating on bat-pad and edged behind decisions. LBWs are being pretty much left alone - time reasons are part of that, but also, there's the fact that most people aren't willing to vouch for Hawkeye's predictive powers.

actually i think technology can be used in lbws to determine whether the ball pitched in line with the stumps and if there was any inside edge involved. and face it, how many times of late have we seen a poor decision been given with the latter?

 

[tooextracool]

Sami's an enigma, that's for sure. Shocking test average considering how much he's hyped (hell, it's a rotten average whichever way you look at it), and he's sprayed the ball down leg countless times. But he can certainly swing the ball quite late. Both bowlers have done so pretty much from the get go, and it's amazing how many times the Aussie batsmen have been rapped on the pads.

yes hes been extremely disappointing for someone who has so much potential. hes only shown glimpses of it in his career though - the 5/44 and the ball that he bowled to dismiss kallis in durban was an absolute beauty.

 

[tooextracool]

I cannot quite fathom how the Oz's were able to squander four wickets on the bowling they were getting. The shot Lehmann played was downright laughable. You do not shuffle and go back to ball pitched at 150 K's however good a batsman you are.

its something that he does to play to his strengths and get closer to the ball. its also something that gary kirsten did fairly effectively in his career. if used right it works against every bowler in the world.

 

[tooextracool]

It is one thing to shuffle accross your crease, Kirsten, Chanderpaul, Lara & Katich all do it to good effect.

However, it is another thing to get bowled around your legs by a fast bowler on at least more than one occasion.

He was an excellent exponent at it early in his career, but in the twighlight of his career, it almost seems cavalier.

have you seriously observed the number of times that lara has been bowled around his legs?

 

[tooextracool]

Lara has been bowled around the legs on more than a few occasions, most recently by Flintoff.

beats me to it!

 

[Richard]

I'd say the 250 he is referring to is the one Langer made against England during the last Ashes. I would rate this innings higher, because a) the attack is much better in this case, and b) Australia was in a much worse situation at 5 down for very little than they ever were in that match, where Australia dominated from the very start.

Plus, if you saw how Langer struggled against some good bowling in the morning session to be 22* off 80 odd at lunch, the 160 runs he added after that are so much more impressive.

I was indeed referring to that innings.
My point was that he scored that innings entirely through his own good batting by not allowing England any chances to dismiss him.
In this one it doesn't matter that the attack was more challenging, he only scored the runs because Akmal wasn't good enough dismiss him when he'd done all that would normally result in dismissal.
The only reason he avoided dismissal was not because he had done something well.

 

[Richard]

I thought Shoaib made a huge mistake by bowler around the wicket to Langer early in the first session. I thought if Shoaib came over the wicket, he might've been able to get Langer in the same way as he got Hayden - lbw with a full inswinger.

I thought the same thing but equally he was perilously close to trapping both Langer and Gilchrist from round-the-wicket.
I also thought Inzy made a mistake by not bowling Kaneria when Gilchrist came in.

 

[Richard]

Why is Waqar Younis commentating for Channel 9? Couldn't they find Rameez? Or even Wasim, as much as I think he's a potty commentator, would've done. But Waqar?

I thought the same thing but THB Waqar's not the worst.

 

[Pratters]

he only scored the runs because Akmal wasn't good enough dismiss him when he'd done all that would normally result in dismissal.
The only reason he avoided dismissal was not because he had done something well.

Your logic on luck is flawed. Luck is there in every aspect of life. To make most of it is what is necessary.

He didnt <i>only</i> score the runs because of poor keeping. The pressure was immense, and it was one of the classiest innings I have seen in a tough situation.

Discrediting him because of dropped chances is not great. If you ever do watch football (soccer), you will realise how much luck has to play with success or failure.

When Lara score that run to equal Sobers for 365, the stumps were touched by his bat but luckily the bails didnt fall. So lara didnt deserve to break that record at the time? Australia werent great at World Cup 2003 because they may have lst if Gibbs had taken the catch? And again I reiterate, Sehwag is an average player because he has figured out what works for him is playing aggresively and offering a few chances as he still manages to average above 50?

Its all about perspective.

 

[Sudeep]

I thought the same thing but THB Waqar's not the worst.

He is, of the team in place for the current series. He might be good tactically, but unfortunately he lacks in communication skills.