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***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2016/17

smash84

The Tiger King
God, seems like all the gains of misbahs captaincy have been lost now that he's leaving. Fitting end to his career.
 

Burner

International Regular
Gotta hand it to Pakistan. It takes some skill to lose after scoring 450 in the first innings of a shortened rain-affected match.
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Do Australia have a full-time spin bowling coach? I'll be honest, but Lyon doesn't seem to have a great cricketing brain. I remember he used to come around the wicket to the right-hander with some success (Ashes 13/14 and India at home) - has he abandoned that as I noticed he uses that much less frequency. Could Warne not work with him? Different roles obviously but Warne was such a smart bowler who could work batsman out.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Do Australia have a full-time spin bowling coach? I'll be honest, but Lyon doesn't seem to have a great cricketing brain. I remember he used to come around the wicket to the right-hander with some success (Ashes 13/14 and India at home) - has he abandoned that as I noticed he uses that much less frequency. Could Warne not work with him? Different roles obviously but Warne was such a smart bowler who could work batsman out.
He still did a fair bit against South Africa when I was able to watch. Whether it's a particular tactic because of how the Pakistanis play him, as they took the mickey out of him in UAE, or just how his rhythm is or being coached, I guess we'll find out soon.

John Davison has been his go-to guy for a long time, but they haven't really taken him overseas with the group. They've more looked at getting in Murali, etc. on overseas tours for advice in the past.
 

Burner

International Regular
Jokes aside, it was a pretty special performance from Australia. I don't think there is any other team in the world that can out-bat Australia on roads, and that's not a sleight on them either. I think if India dole out a few roads like they did vs England, Australia will capitalise. Warner especially. His game is not built around hanging about and reading the pitch, which is what I think England were guilty of. Good bowling, yes, but they were genuinely deceived about the pitches, didn't know a road when they were on one.
 

TheJediBrah

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Jokes aside, it was a pretty special performance from Australia. I don't think there is any other team in the world that can out-bat Australia on roads, and that's not a sleight on them either. I think if India dole out a few roads like they did vs England, Australia will capitalise. Warner especially. His game is not built around hanging about and reading the pitch, which is what I think England were guilty of. Good bowling, yes, but they were genuinely deceived about the pitches, didn't know a road when they were on one.
This recent thought process of "everything is a road" when it's not an absolute greentop or dustbowl has to stop

This wasn't a road, it was a better-than-average batting wicket that still had enough for the bowlers that there was a result even in a severely rain-shortened game.
 

TheJediBrah

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No this really was a road. It had a tiny bit with the new ball but really not much.
No, it really wasn't. There have been much roadier roads. Just because a pitch is good for batting doesn't make it a road.

Having said that I realise the term "road" is by its nature imprecise and could mean different things to different people.

suffice it to say this was certainly not a road by my definition
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Just goes to show what the difference is when you get some new batsmen in to a moving ball - just happened to be reverse swing in the final innings.
 

Slifer

International Captain
They havent won here but tbh this series could go either way because both sides are prone to crazy collapses and brain fades in between playing some good or very good cricket.

One Swallow doesn't make a summer as far as Australia is concerned, and Pakistan has bowlers capable of taking 20 wickets. I think Australia will win but I would be surprised if they sweep it or win with any measure of ease.
Hmmm....
 

Burner

International Regular
No, it really wasn't. There have been much roadier roads. Just because a pitch is good for batting doesn't make it a road.

Having said that I realise the term "road" is by its nature imprecise and could mean different things to different people.

suffice it to say this was certainly not a road by my definition
The only way it could be more roady is if you were to tar it and park a few cars on the side
 

Daemon

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I apologise for all the excessive anti-Lyon drivel. Malaria's a bitch and Lyon's head reminds me of a mosquito.
 

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