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***Official*** Pakistan and England in UAE

Who do you think will win?!

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Neil Pickup

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Prince EWS said:
And while I don't disagree with Brumby, I think they lost anyway.
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Am I misreading, or do you genuinely think Umar's a better keeper than Kamran? I mean, I know this is like asking whether cow **** or horse **** attracts more files, but look at Umar keeping to Afridi. Look how early he rises. He's not got a bloody clue.
 
Agent Nationaux

Agent Nationaux

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Problem is that Adnan is a **** batsman. However I would go with him in the next ODI. What we need is a good all-rounder, so we can find a slot for Junior.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

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Neil Pickup said:
Am I misreading, or do you genuinely think Umar's a better keeper than Kamran? I mean, I know this is like asking whether cow **** or horse **** attracts more files, but look at Umar keeping to Afridi. Look how early he rises. He's not got a bloody clue.
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Yeah, Kamran's terrible, but Umar's a whole different level of merditude.

Reads the spinners about as well as, well, an English batsman.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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Neil Pickup said:
Am I misreading, or do you genuinely think Umar's a better keeper than Kamran? I mean, I know this is like asking whether cow **** or horse **** attracts more files, but look at Umar keeping to Afridi. Look how early he rises. He's not got a bloody clue.
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Kamran was definitely technically better, which is why he spent a not insignificant part of his career just being sub-par rather than a complete joke, but by the end he was so stuffed mentally that even when he did everything largely right he could still drop the ball cold. I'd back Kamran's worst day to be worse than Umar's worst day and he'd be more potentially match-losing, if you like. Umar is also a much better batsman so if I was forced to have one of the other keep for my side and bat seven-ish I would actually pick Umar.
 
Howe_zat

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Prince EWS said:
It's a shame your opening batsman isn't ranked #2 in the ICC ODI bowling rankings. That'd be super-handy.
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Yeah, but what he really means is to have another one down the order. It'd be seriously good for them if they had another of the top-5 ranked allrounders in the world there too.

Hang on
 
GIMH

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Yeah seriously, the only all-rounder better than Afridi in the history of cricket is Flintoff so stop your bitching
 
Prince EWS

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Howe_zat said:
Yeah, but what he really means is to have another one down the order. It'd be seriously good for them if they had another of the top-5 ranked allrounders in the world there too.

Hang on
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It is pretty amusing that a team with two of the top four ranked ODI allrounders has such great problems balancing its team that even despite playing with no wicket keeper, they have a #8 at #7 followed by four number 10s. The problem is caused by two things really - firstly that they don't seem to have anyone in the country who can keep to a decent standard without batting like a rabbit, and secondly that all their best bowlers are spinners.

Afridi and Hafeez should really be bowling near enough to 20 overs every innings; they're well and truly good enough for that. It makes it hard to play two specialist spinners on top of that though - in fact it'd make it hard to play one in some conditions.

I'd be rolling with this for the rest of this series:

1 Hafeez
2 Azhar
3 Younis
4 Umar
5 Misbah
6 Malik
7 Afridi
8 Sarfraz (or Adnan if I must because Sarfraz isn't in the squad - but a proper keeper anyway)
9 Gul
10 Ajmal
11 Rehman, but only because it's at home against England. Junaid or Wahab in other circumstances.

Probably not the best eleven players in a lot of people's eyes and I wouldn't argue but it's the best balanced eleven they can muster IMO. They have to make use of Afridi and Hafeez as frontline bowlers - which they've performed as of late without doubt - to avoid having a tail like a rat and/or no wicket keeper.
 
Agent Nationaux

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
I meant a Razzaq type. And we have one, his name is Hammad Azam and he is sitting on the bench. If we had him for Abdul Rahman, we could get rid of Cheema/Wahab and slot in Adnan as a keeper. That way we can keep junior.
 
Agent Nationaux

Agent Nationaux

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Prince EWS said:
It is pretty amusing that a team with two of the top four ranked ODI allrounders has such great problems balancing its team that even despite playing with no wicket keeper, they have a #8 at #7 followed by four number 10s. The problem is caused by two things really - firstly that they don't seem to have anyone in the country who can keep to a decent standard without batting like a rabbit, and secondly that all their best bowlers are spinners.

Afridi and Hafeez should really be bowling near enough to 20 overs every innings; they're well and truly good enough for that. It makes it hard to play two specialist spinners on top of that though - in fact it'd make it hard to play one in some conditions.

I'd be rolling with this for the rest of this series:

1 Hafeez
2 Azhar
3 Younis
4 Umar
5 Misbah
6 Shafiq
7 Hammad Azam
8 Afridi
9 Sarfraz (or Adnan if I must because Sarfraz isn't in the squad - but a proper keeper anyway)
10 Gul
11 Ajmal


Probably not the best eleven players in a lot of people's eyes and I wouldn't argue but it's the best balanced eleven they can muster IMO. They have to make use of Afridi and Hafeez as frontline bowlers - which they've performed as of late without doubt - to avoid having a tail like a rat and/or no wicket keeper.
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There fixed. :p
 
Prince EWS

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Agent Nationaux said:
I meant a Razzaq type. And we have one, his name is Hammad Azam and he is sitting on the bench. If we had him for Abdul Rahman, we could get rid of Cheema/Wahab and slot in Adnan as a keeper. That way we can keep junior.
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Saying Hammad Azam is a Razzaq type is a bit like saying I'm a Hafeez type though.
 
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