**Official** Pakistan and England in the UAE 2015/16

[Furball]

They have so little experience outside the SC as well sadly.

Umar Akmal on his travels when he emerged looked comfortable against pace, but we need to forget about him for now.

They play all their "home" games outside the subcontinent.

 

[Niall]

Azhar Ali is the only one who is not very bad against pace actually. But his format is test cricket. He is good enough to survive the first 10 overs in ODIs most of the times (like he did today), but that doesn't help (like you saw today )

Yeah Azhar can survive against pace, but he really struggles to score runs against it. I don't expect a Warner style attack, but he needs to be able keep the run rate ticking over. To be fair though, I think he will be the least of Pakistan concerns next year.

 

[Jono]

love you Jono, but lets be honest India would have struggled to get 270 here. Imagine Axar trying to smash Riaz and Irfan.

At 2 for I doubt axar would have got a bat

Agree that Pakistan bowl well at the death though

 

[Jono]

87-6 is box office enough for me

Never said anything about your bowling ya ****

 

[Furball]

Never said anything about your bowling ya ****

Would be pretty decent figures itbt

 

[Black_Warrior]

This ODI was just the demon waking up. The demon that has been Pakistan's bane while chasing for almost their entire history.
This is exactly how Pakistan go about chasing anything over 220. The moment the score is above 220-230, alarm bells start ringing in the players' heads whether they admit it or not. So they are panicking even before the ball is bowled. And they're never really in the game. The top order collapses under 60 runs and then someone from the lower order swings the bat crazily and crosses 100/150.

A very familiar script. 23rd Match: England v Pakistan at Cape Town, Feb 22, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo


Nothing has changed really. Azhar Ali's batting form (the captaincy influence) seems have ended with the Sri Lankan series.

 

[Cabinet96]

Just remembered I need to add Moeen to the wheel.

 

[weldone]

Yasir is injured...maynot play tomorrow

 

[Niall]

Yasir is injured...maynot play tomorrow

Not a massive loss, lets have a look at Gohar.

 

[smash84]

yeah Yasir isn't too flash in ODIs

 

[weldone]

Ya but the thing is Pakistan will probably not replace Yasir with Gohar, they may go with the stupid option of Bilal Asif.

 

[FBU]

How about Sarfraz Ahmed moving up to 4.

 

[weldone]

Sarfraz needs to play in top 6. He's wasted at 7. The Pakistan think-tank is so stupid when it comes to ODIs. Mohammad Rizwan and Imad Wasim should never be dropped.

Hafeez
Azhar
Shoaib
Babar
Sarfraz
Rizwan
Imad
Anwar
Wahab
Yasir
Irfan

should be the team imo

 

[Black_Warrior]

Imad is injured and out of this series but that would be my team too. For some reason the management is not keen on trying Hafeez as an opener. He is not even part of the conversation as they want him at 3. So the question is between Shehzad or Bilal Asif or Babar Azam.

Babar Azam is an opener but you have to give him more games to establish himself. Shehzad has got countless opportunities with not much to show but people are so much more lenient with him but Azam, barely a few games old has one failure as an opener and people in Pak want Shezad to replace him.

Yasir can be a good ODI bowler if he has a specific role set out for him. Misbah was an excellent captain of spinners which is why you had Hafeez or Ajmal bowl so well under him in ODIs. Azhar Ali is a pretty poor captain based on the little evidence so far and his rotation of bowlers or field placings or response to match situation leaves a lot to be desired.

Yasir is not sure what his role is in the team. Azhar should look at how succesfully India used Mishra in the recent ODI series. He picked up wickets at important moments.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Pace, Swing, Seam and Bounce. We can't play anything. This includes Younis and Misbah. We won't be very good in Tests when we tour overseas to countries like England, South Africa or Australia.

People following these ODI's? We won the Tests and are No 2 in the rankings. No one gives a crap about the LOIs.

Agreed. Sitting on pacers in tests is one thing, but in ODIS especially when its a big run rate is a disaster.

Next year when they tour England/ Australia and New Zealand even in tests they will be in serious trouble, can't be relying on Younis and Misbah at their ages to pull them out of the **** everytime,

Not sure about the doom and gloom though. Pakistan crumbling in a chase is hardly something new. You can check out any scorecard from the past with Anwar, Inzy, Yousuf and you will find the exact same collapse. Anything over 220 and they are out of the game. This is not something new, or something about the batsmen being bad against pace or swing although those are contributing factors.. It's just that their approach to batting is absolutely out of place when handling a pressure situation of having to go at over 6 an over from ball 1.

Pakistan ODI team is basically a reflection of Misbah as a batsman (although this phenomena pre dates Misbah by a few decades)

Excellent in first gear (Tests )

Very good in 5th gear (T20s)

Dreadful in between

 

[Daemon]

Misbah's not dreadful in ODIs

 

[Stace]

Its sooo funny watching Pakistan self destruct.

 

[91Jmay]

Wow this is quite the extended Lollapse against not exactly a murderers row of ODI bowling.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Misbah's not dreadful in ODIs

I was talking about the gear. Not his record as a batsman. He weakness was milking singles and twos, finding gaps, rotating the strike. Excellent at holding one end, excellent at thrashing bowlers out of the park. I said that as sort of a metaphor.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Wow this is quite the extended Lollapse against not exactly a murderers row of ODI bowling.

It doesn't have to be. There's a reason why this team is ranked number 8 and lost 0-3 in Bangladesh. When Pakistan does this sort of thing, it very rarely has much to do with the opposition.