*Official* NZ Domestic Season

[anzac]

Joseph Yovich is another bowler who can score runs. Jesse Ryder has been averaging less than 22 with the ball (maybe 10) and has more than a wicket a match. If you have seen them in action, what do you think? With Styris and Oram out of action, the selectors can consider Ryder, Yovich and Thompson as replacements till the top all-rounders return. Pace should not be an issue- there can be another man picked for pace- Butler just took 8 wickets and may return. Besides, you still find slow bowlers making the NZ attack quite often, don't you?

forget all this nonsence about needing to have an allrounder in the side - we have enough already in Astle, Vettori & McCullum - let alone when Styris & Oram are fit again.........and Macca if you'd have him in your side..............

better idea to concentrate on whether you'd stick to 6-4 or 5-5,
and then fix your batting lineup with some specialist batsmen;
and in 6-4 you need to think hard on your 4 bowlers, as only Vettori & Franklin would be certainties at this point IMO.............

I'd also forget Butler unless he's learnt to do more than just bang it in short back of a length - works ok with his pace in domestic comp - but on intnl pitches against intnl batsmen it just sits up and asks to get spanked to the fence...........

 

[anzac]

just on the bowling attack IMO while they have changed it from being all the same rmf at the same pace, they have gone too far the other way with what appears to be a preoccupation on swing.........none of the 3 seamers in the 1st Test bowl straight as a normal delivery & consequently none were able to have the same results as the AUS trio.........even tho' the AUS trio can & do also swing the ball..........

 

[Ming]

I don't see why James Marshall is in contention, apart from being Hamish's brother. Surely Fulton, Sinclair, Englefield, and Gaffaney should be ahead of him.

Choosing someone based on name rather than form is exactly why Wilson got into the BCs, and inevitably failed!

Ming, Fulton was the second best batsman on the SA A tour. Sinclair scored two big centuries I think. Fulton got the best score (98) in the OD matches, and a couple of fifties in the four day games.

Good to see batting form in the FC matches. Plenty of options to replace the likes of McMillan, and players to tour SA and ZIM.

Don't understand why O'Brian was chosen ahead of McSkimming, but a reasonable FC record. Aweful bowling action though. Should definitely stick with Franklin, as he is yet to show his potential in both bowling and batting in tests, but playing OK.

James Marshall deserved his ODI callup, based on a solid SS season averaging over 40. He's currently averaging over 40 in the SC as well if you include his latest match.

McSkimming is a medium pace bowler. Nothing else. Have you honestly seen him bowl? If you haven't, since you are based in AUS, I find it hard how you can comment on domestic bowlers in NZ.

Wilson was chosen in the Black Caps, and was a success against the FICA XI. Everyone failed against Australia except Marshall, McCullum and Vettori. He's not worth dumping after just one ODI series.

 

[Ming]

Joseph Yovich is another bowler who can score runs. Jesse Ryder has been averaging less than 22 with the ball (maybe 10) and has more than a wicket a match. If you have seen them in action, what do you think? With Styris and Oram out of action, the selectors can consider Ryder, Yovich and Thompson as replacements till the top all-rounders return. Pace should not be an issue- there can be another man picked for pace- Butler just took 8 wickets and may return. Besides, you still find slow bowlers making the NZ attack quite often, don't you?

Why are you obsessed with allrounders? We need bowlers and batsmen. Not bits and pieces players.

What do you mean till the top allrounders return? Oram can get into the team as a bowler alone, and Styris can get into the XI on his batting alone. I doubt Yovich and Thompson can get into the Black Caps on one face alone.

 

[Kippax]

How do you know he's clearly not suited? He did well in England, and I can't see why he can't perform like that again in this series. Fleming also batted poorly in the ODIs, and he's just in a bad patch at the moment. Odd how he can suddenly be in the "form of his life" two months ago, to now....

I agree. Fleming wouldn't have scored runs batting anywhere in the last few weeks IMO. Opening has little to do with it.

The media focus on him during the whitewash seems to have left him a jaded and weatherbeaten figure whenever I listen to him speak, and that seems to have got him falling into some of his old bad habits (poor shot selection, falling across the stumps, etc.).

 

[Kippax]

I see Fulton is now averaging 50.1, the second-highest first-class average in New Zealand history for those who've scored over 2500 runs. Martin Crowe averaged 56.

 

[Tim]

That's why I cannot believe the selectors would be considering James Marshall over Peter Fulton, when Marshall only averages 27!

Fulton (excluding current match): 34 matches, 4 hundreds, 14 half centuries at an average of 46.07

Marshall (excluding current match): 66 matches, 4 hundreds, 17 half centuries at an average of 27.73

Im not saying J.Marshall would not be worthy of a test spot, but lets face it..I find it difficult to see why he would be selected ahead of Fulton.

 

[Tim]

I just cannot believe how in the world Auckland sit on top of the State Championship table when they are being bowled out for 153 & then 147 respectively on the Eden Park Outer Oval pitch.

It shows I think how heavily they have relied on Lou Vincent this season.

Good to see Bruce Martin perform though...4/19 off 15 overs is an excellent return & surely the NZ selectors will be considering his name in the very near future.

As I speak Shane Bond has also taken 2/21 from 12 overs against Otago..so there are also a few good bowling performances this round too.

 

[anzac]

That's why I cannot believe the selectors would be considering James Marshall over Peter Fulton, when Marshall only averages 27!

Fulton (excluding current match): 34 matches, 4 hundreds, 14 half centuries at an average of 46.07

Marshall (excluding current match): 66 matches, 4 hundreds, 17 half centuries at an average of 27.73

Im not saying J.Marshall would not be worthy of a test spot, but lets face it..I find it difficult to see why he would be selected ahead of Fulton.

possible Opener???????

 

[anzac]

Good to see Bruce Martin perform though...4/19 off 15 overs is an excellent return & surely the NZ selectors will be considering his name in the very near future.

As I speak Shane Bond has also taken 2/21 from 12 overs against Otago..so there are also a few good bowling performances this round too.

Bond seems to be improving both his return & economy with every outing atm...........

unfortunately for B Martin I can't see the selectors going past Wiseman as no.2 atm considering his form with ball & bat this season at domestic & intnl levels.............particularly as Wiseman offers variety to Vettori whereas B Martin is of the same type...............

 

[Ming]

Bruce Martin is a definite option in ODIs.

I read the Star Times that Vettori can bowl the "doosra" that Murali uses, and Bruce Martin could also bowl it before he injured his shoulder.

 

[Tim]

What are thoughts like on Luke Woodcock as a potential opener? he's also a leg-spinner isn't he?

He's only got an average of 25, but has he got talent to improve that?

 

[Right arm fast]

What are thoughts like on Luke Woodcock as a potential opener? he's also a leg-spinner isn't he?

He's only got an average of 25, but has he got talent to improve that?

from wat i saw in the televised one day games he looked to me as if he struggled under pressure

 

[Ming]

Under pressure? Anyone would be under pressure, especially when he had quite a task of chasing an improbable total in that one-day game....

Luke Woodcock is a make shift opener, he bats in the middle order usually and sometimes at 3 for Wellington. I'm not sure where he bats for his club though, He's a left arm "off-spinner", not a wrist spinner I'm afraid, because NZ could well do with a handy wrist spinner....

 

[Tim]

Bugger, I thought he was a leggy.

It's a shame Aaron Redmond hasn't really progressed either.

 

[Ming]

HIs batting has progressed. He rarely gets a bowl these days with Nathan McCullum there...

 

[southern man]

He doesn't get a bowl because hes **** and gets spanked everytime he does bowl. He also looks like abit of an unce when he bowls. Good batsman though.

 

[Ming]

I've always liked him as a bowler from the little I saw. If he can develop abit more accuracy, he could might have an outside chance making the Black Caps in a few years time as a "spinning allrounder", much in the mould of Harris...

 

[southern man]

He won't tough, Otago only uses him as a last resort as he bowls far to many pies. He will be lucky to bowl 40 or 50 overs a season.

His only chance to make the Black Caps would be as a top order batsmen.

 

[bryce]

james marshall opening the batting is tests for NZ is a joke, he is a middle order batsman fullstop, he has enough trouble opening the batting in domestic cricket, fulton should play the next test - although i've seen they have retained the same 12 which means that wiseman will more than likely be a straight swap for o'brien, heck if anyone deserves to open against the aussies because the selectors think flems not up to it then i find it hard to go past chris gaffeney, also on a side note i think chris martins time in test cricket is done(despite the rip-snorter he got ponting with) but i find it hard to see an immediate replacement other than the spinners wiseman and martin, not to mention shane bond