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**Official** New Zealand v Australia

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Ming

State 12th Man
FaaipDeOiad said:
Are you kidding? You didn't see Martin getting deliveries early on to move a foot or more off the seam?

It's been doing plenty, it's just been swinging as well.
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It wasn't moving off the seam at all. I seriously doubt you actually know the meaning of swing and seam now.

Martin swung it in the air, and the direction of the ball carried on in that direction. None of the commentators have said anything about the conditions seaming as well, it's only been the swing.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Ming said:
It wasn't moving off the seam at all. I seriously doubt you actually know the meaning of swing and seam now.
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Err yes, it was. All I can say is I suggest you watch more closely next time highlights from the first session are shown. It was moving off the seam to a significant degree.

In fact, the very first delivery of the morning (the one that went for four byes) moved off the seam as well as in the air. It swung a bit, pitched and seamed away. Martin in particular and later O'Brien got plenty of movement off the wicket.

edit: And as far as the commentators are concerned, Geoff Lawson (in the Fox Sports studio) was just discussing the fact that it moved off the seam as well as in the air, and if you look back in this thread alone you will see pleny of people discussing seam movement, as well as swing.
 
M

Ming

State 12th Man
The first delivery didn't seam, it swung.

Martin get's that natural slant, that's why the ball comes INTO Ponting and the rest of the right-handers. The pitch has no green tinge on it at all.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Ming said:
The first delivery didn't seam, it swung.

Martin get's that natural slant, that's why the ball comes INTO Ponting and the rest of the right-handers. The pitch has no green tinge on it at all.
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A pitch does not HAVE to have a green tinge on it on order for the ball to seam, there are various other things that can contribute to it, and likewise if a wicket has a green tinge on it there will not always be signfiicant seam movement available. An example of this is the first test wicket. Grass on the wicket is simply a guide.

And yes, the first delivery did seam, as well as swing. Watch it again - it changes trajectory to a significant degree off the pitch, and on the replay you can literally see the ball hit the seam and change direction.

Anyway, 50 for Martyn. A bit of luck and a couple of good strokes after Tea, and the scoring rate has gone up noticably.
 
mavric41

mavric41

State Vice-Captain
FaaipDeOiad said:
A pitch does not HAVE to have a green tinge on it on order for the ball to seam, there are various other things that can contribute to it, and likewise if a wicket has a green tinge on it there will not always be signfiicant seam movement available. An example of this is the first test wicket. Grass on the wicket is simply a guide.

And yes, the first delivery did seam, as well as swing. Watch it again - it changes trajectory to a significant degree off the pitch, and on the replay you can literally see the ball hit the seam and change direction.

Anyway, 50 for Martyn. A bit of luck and a couple of good strokes after Tea, and the scoring rate has gone up noticably.
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I agree with FaaipDeOiad. There has been both swing in the air and seam off the pitch.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Nothing much happening with the new ball, and Franklin has been horribly wayward in this spell. Things are looking a bit ominous now, New Zealand need a wicket soon.

edit: and right after I write this, Martyn belts 17 off a Martin over.
 
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FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
And Katich goes! Great day so far.

Next few overs are key, if Gilchrist and Martyn make it to stumps Australia have probably won the day, otherwise New Zealand are in good position if they can get into the tail.
 
T

telsor

U19 12th Man
But inevitably it slows down..

Still, with Gilly there, 5/over is pretty much 'normal', so I can see Aus getting to 330-340 by stumps if no wickets fall.

Considering I was thinking 300-350 would be a decent score on this pitch I'll have to agree NZ has problems.
 
Tim

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I honestly think Gilchrist is the difference between Australia making an average score & a big score.

How many times do you see Australia 250/5, Gilchrist comes out & blazes a quick-fire 60 odd and manages to push Australia up to at least 400.
You cannot tell me that a Brad Haddin or the like would be able to do that as consistently as Gilchrist does.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Nearly a run a ball in that final sessions - 163 runs for the loss of one wicket. Once again, Gilchrist's influence turns a 50/50 game well in Australia's favour. If New Zealand don't get an early wicket tomorrow they are looking at being batted out of the game.
 
mavric41

mavric41

State Vice-Captain
163 runs in the last session. WOW!!!

Credit has to be given to both Hayden and Langer for the start they gave. The Kiwis were bowling well and if they got early breakthroughs the story of the day's play could have been very different.

Can't see NZ winning from here.
 
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