**Official** New Zealand v Australia

[FaaipDeOiad]

Thats not the context of the article at all. Hes saying that Symonds and Lehmann can take OD wickets, so why aren't they also in contention for a blowing spot. He is simply stating that one day form shouldn't count and the incumbent is bowling very well.

He says "an idiot can take wickets in one day cricket" and "one day cricket is rubbish" then "when guys like Andrew Symonds, Darren Lehmann and Brad Hogg get wickets, what does that tell you about one day cricket?". Clearly, he is saying that they are substandard bowlers and therefore one day cricket is worth nothing in terms of determining bowling ability. I'm not saying the sole purpose of his statement was to have a dig at those players, but he did regardless and I can't see them being too happy about it.

 

[SJS]

He says "an idiot can take wickets in one day cricket" and "one day cricket is rubbish" then "when guys like Andrew Symonds, Darren Lehmann and Brad Hogg get wickets, what does that tell you about one day cricket?". Clearly, he is saying that they are substandard bowlers and therefore one day cricket is worth nothing in terms of determining bowling ability. I'm not saying the sole purpose of his statement was to have a dig at those players, but he did regardless and I can't see them being too happy about it.

I think there is some validity in this.

One day wickets cant count as great bowling unless it IS great bowling.

Point being in one dayers a majority of wickets fall to not so great bowling so just the number of wickets taken by a bowler in one dayer cant be a criteria for test bowling selection.

Not an invalid argument.

 

[mikeW]

Seeing as Hodge is only there as injury cover and Katich is in the original squad, no.

since when was he there only on injury cover as far as im aware they were both in the original squad.

 

[Dydl]

Hodge was performing well in domestic, so he would like to think that that is the reason why he was called up.

 

[age_master]

He says "an idiot can take wickets in one day cricket" and "one day cricket is rubbish" then "when guys like Andrew Symonds, Darren Lehmann and Brad Hogg get wickets, what does that tell you about one day cricket?". Clearly, he is saying that they are substandard bowlers and therefore one day cricket is worth nothing in terms of determining bowling ability. I'm not saying the sole purpose of his statement was to have a dig at those players, but he did regardless and I can't see them being too happy about it.

surely if any idiot can take wickets McGrath would be unstoppable as he is on of the 'great bowlers' compare solely ODI records of McGrath and Lee - McGrath 22.05 and Lee 22.17 there ain't that much difference is there...

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

surely if any idiot can take wickets McGrath would be unstoppable as he is on of the 'great bowlers' compare solely ODI records of McGrath and Lee - McGrath 22.05 and Lee 22.17 there ain't that much difference is there...

The difference between them in economy rate. Lee's is around 4.7 and McGrath's is 3.87, which is 3rd in the world today and 5th among all bowlers who began their careers after 1990. However, I agree with your basic point. Certainly a lot of bowlers who aren't of test quality get *some* wickets in ODIs, but they don't tear apart top orders for a whole summer and average under 20.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Point being in one dayers a majority of wickets fall to not so great bowling so just the number of wickets taken by a bowler in one dayer cant be a criteria for test bowling selection.

I agree, with regards to his comments about Hogg, Symonds and Lehmann I was simply pointing out that they aren't likely to be happy about it. However, the point is that Lee has been bowling well, and as a result has picked up plenty of wickets, he hasn't got wickets by bowling poorly because people have been trying to score quickly. He has both maintained a good economy rate AND got wickets in ODIs of late, which is a sign of quality bowling where just one or the other in limited overs games might not be.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Go NZ.. lets hope for the best for tomorrow.. although the odds are hugely against us.. btw is there any live telecast on 3 or any other local channel apart from Sky Sport 1 .. i forget to get the TV guide for this week..

 

[Linda]

since when was he there only on injury cover as far as im aware they were both in the original squad.

Katich is replacing Lehmann in the side, and Hodge is there as an extra batsman.
Cant see him being picked, or deserving to be, especially over Katich.

 

[telsor]

Katich has to be the preferred candidate, indeed, he should be told he's in for the series to give him a chance to feel settled without the added pressure of playing for his spot every innings.

Lets give him a real chance to prove he's test standard ( or not ).

 

[SJS]

surely if any idiot can take wickets McGrath would be unstoppable as he is on of the 'great bowlers' compare solely ODI records of McGrath and Lee - McGrath 22.05 and Lee 22.17 there ain't that much difference is there...

Thats EXACTLY the point. One dayers are great levellers.

The difference between the great and the good AND the good and the average is not that big in terms of figures in this format. The batsmen and their compulsions make a big contribution. At times, there is tendency to go after the lesser boelers with more expansive shots and pay more respect to the top bowlers and just see them off with modest returns.

 

[Burpey]

Thats EXACTLY the point. One dayers are great levellers.

The difference between the great and the good AND the good and the average is not that big in terms of figures in this format. The batsmen and their compulsions make a big contribution. At times, there is tendency to go after the lesser boelers with more expansive shots and pay more respect to the top bowlers and just see them off with modest returns.

exactly ... look at vettori in the recent series ... he had a strike rate of 120 and average of about 65 in fourgames, yet he bowled like a champion

 

[Josh]

anybody else rekon Hodge should be in the team ahead of Katich?

Yes. Seven years ago...

 

[howardj]

In 2003 Brett Lee took 46 one day wickets at only 20. In the same year his Test opponents were Zimbabwe, the West Indies and Bangladesh. Despite playing the three worst teams in cricket, he averaged 36 runs per wicket in the tests. The gist is that success in ODI's doesn't automatically translate to Tests.

 

[Jono]

In 2003 Brett Lee took 46 one day wickets at only 20. In the same year his Test opponents were Zimbabwe, the West Indies and Bangladesh. Despite playing the three worst teams in cricket, he averaged 36 runs per wicket in the tests. The gist is that success in ODI's doesn't automatically translate to Tests.

Lol brilliant statistics. That really does say a lot.

 

[social]

All of Jeff Thomson's comments on this topic need to te taken with a grain of salt - he is incredibly biased towards Queensland and a friend of Kasprowiscz.

The journalist was looking for a quote (obviously) and what Thommo has to say is far more interesting than a balanced response of "there are arguments in favour of each and whoever misses out has a right to feel disappointed." After all, if that's what he was after, he could have asked the majority of cricket observers

 

[chaminda_00]

Had a look at the Kiwi XI just then, it looks like Cumming and Vincent are going to open the batting. Should be kind of fun to see how they go, hopefully don't get into too much form before the Sri Lanka Tests. But hang around long enough so Fleming and Astle (or whoever bats at 4) are in their every match when the score is 2 for 2 or something. Doesn't look a very strong side on paper no Oram, Styris, Bond or the retired Richarson.

New Zealand team Stephen Fleming (captain), Lou Vincent, Nathan Astle, Craig Cumming, Craig McMillan, Hamish Marshall, Brendon McCullum (wk), Iain O'Brien, Daniel Vettori, Chris Martin, James Franklin.

 

[12th Man]

surely that tema can't seriously challenge australia

 

[anzac]

Had a look at the Kiwi XI just then, it looks like Cumming and Vincent are going to open the batting. Should be kind of fun to see how they go, hopefully don't get into too much form before the Sri Lanka Tests. But hang around long enough so Fleming and Astle (or whoever bats at 4) are in their every match when the score is 2 for 2 or something. Doesn't look a very strong side on paper no Oram, Styris, Bond or the retired Richarson.

New Zealand team Stephen Fleming (captain), Lou Vincent, Nathan Astle, Craig Cumming, Craig McMillan, Hamish Marshall, Brendon McCullum (wk), Iain O'Brien, Daniel Vettori, Chris Martin, James Franklin.

christ I'd hope not - so far as Vincent opening goes...............

I'd rather see..........Cumming, Fleming, Vincent, Marshall, Astle.........

 

[anzac]

just read that Kasper is in ahead of Lee, which is fair enough - I was just thinking that another option would be to wait until the series had been decided b4 bringing Lee in.........

also that it appears that Wiseman is 12th man & NZL opted for a 6-4 split with Martin, O'Brien, Franklin & Vettori being the preferred bowlers................