***Official*** New Zealand in Zimbabwe and South Africa 2015

[Immenso]

I didn't watch but inspected the scorecard. Bracewell did "ok". He is my new hope for white ball cricket. He is fast enough, and his batting will win some epic matches. I don't know if he has a slower ball, if not it would be one of several workons.

He has a young head on his shoulders, with time and wisdom he could be a match winner for new zealand. I am hoping he plays in all the odis on this tour and presses his case.

IIRC bracewell did quite well on the wasted opportunity A tour last winter. First time he's really interested me as a white ball cricketer after that. But should say that almost all the A team seamers did well in that tour.

 

[Hurricane]

IIRC bracewell did quite well on the wasted opportunity A tour last winter. First time he's really interested me as a white ball cricketer after that. But should say that almost all the A team seamers did well in that tour.

I think we have seen enough of what he offers at test level which is minimal until he recovers his once gorgeous outswing. As a whiteball cricketer he has more potential. But he needs a coach exactly like Masceranhas (spelling?) -Dimitri could potentially teach him to structure an over.
Patel two years ago in the HRV cup gave a marvellous interview that only a senior bowler can give, he talked about how he had learned to give away a single when the batsman was getting too comfortable against him. That is a seasoned performer talking. Doug needs to start developing that level of smarts before he will become truly a leader with the ball. And to be fair that stage is some way off for him. But I am hoping he can be a contributor and become part of the mix and be considered on the same level as your Henry's and McLeakinruns.

 

[Kippax]

The good figures were due to the swing on offer, mainly. His seam release was looking worse than Milne's, so I'd back him to be back to his expensive self in day games.

 

[Howsie]

His seam release was never that great though, even when he had that booming out swinger going. I was disappointed with his pace last night tbh, most of his stuff was around that 129-135k mark. He needs to be, and should be a lot quicker than that.

 

[Howsie]

I haven't watched the match. But ....

Worker in my mind is pretty much a left handed Rob Nicol from what I've seen at domestics. Can strike a nice clean 6 but but in between are swishes and misses - big misses, that make u wonder about eye sight, or limited range of pre-meditated shots?(which is fair enough approach for a guy of his talents when in t20 format tbd)

Yeah, can't say I have high hopes for Worker succeeding at this level. I was plesently surprised to see him use his feet and dance down the track to the spinners against Zimbabwe, didn't expect to see that. But just watching him last night and plenty of times before he looks a very limited player technically. He won't get very far just playing from the crease against decent quick bowling.

Oh and I'd really like to never see him bowl again too, Jesus Christ.

 

[Kippax]

His seam release was never that great though, even when he had that booming out swinger going.

Nah well the release was never Southee or Boult standard, I'd agree with that. I still recall him being capable of a better-looking orbit than last night's though, and I guess the plane of his arm in 2011 lent itself more to booming outswing.

 

[Howsie]

Is the second game on during the night, or Sunday night, Monday morning?

 

[Kippax]

Yeah not tonight. 12:00-3.30am Monday morning.

 

[Flem274*]

and CSA are probably confused why sky didn't buy the series for their asking price

 

[Kippax]

Sunday evening viewing in Asia though, right. CSA still won't be too concerned about the little Kiwi market refusing to acknowledge South African cricket as the most virtuous in the world.

 

[Hurricane]

Nah well the release was never Southee or Boult standard, I'd agree with that. I still recall him being capable of a better-looking orbit than last night's though, and I guess the plane of his arm in 2011 lent itself more to booming outswing.

Yes that last frame looked poor. However such is his batting and bowling suited to ODI cricket that if he can learn to become canny then he could be a player that other teams would covet. If Faulkner can bowl well in ODIs then anybody can if they are intelligent enough to do so.

He has the potential to definitely bat at number 8 and be a very very good performer. He is a bowling allrounder and they are priceless in ODIs.

Godspeed Doug.

 

[Flem274*]

i just want the late swing back.

ruining doug is so 2012 though. henry is the new swing bowler come hit teh deck enforcer we can needlessly try to change.

just pick ****ing wagner in tests if you must have someone to bang it in halfway down.

or if you're cool, bring back the henry channel.

 

[Kippax]

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‏@NeilManthorp
Good to see @DaleSteyn62 looking so cheerful, so early at CT airport after his last-minute return to Proteas T20 duty.

 

[Dan]

That Guptill dismissal is weird, especially if he was trying to avoid the throw.

 

[Kippax]

Strangely it only claimed the silver medal for "cricket balls can hurt" timorous run-outs over the weekend -

paytm India 'A' series 2015, Final, India A vs Australia A: Mayank falls to silly run-out - starsports.com

 

[Dan]

That kind of thing ****s me tbh. Mayank was clearly within his ground and was no chance of being run out, but because he took evasive action he is. If, on the previous step, his foot landed over the line he'd be not out.

For Guptill's, there'd be quite the argument that he isn't actually out there. Made his ground but was out of it to take evasive action. I can understand the decision given he was considering a second for a moment there, but the law as-it-stands allows for him to leave his ground to avoid being hit.

 

[SteveNZ]

That kind of thing ****s me tbh. Mayank was clearly within his ground and was no chance of being run out, but because he took evasive action he is. If, on the previous step, his foot landed over the line he'd be not out.

For Guptill's, there'd be quite the argument that he isn't actually out there. Made his ground but was out of it to take evasive action. I can understand the decision given he was considering a second for a moment there, but the law as-it-stands allows for him to leave his ground to avoid being hit.

The Mayank one is 100% out and should be. You've got to wear leather every now and then as a cricketer. If your most direct line to the crease is between the fielder, you've got to be prepared to cop one in the back of the calf. It's bloody hard to do sub-consciously I get that.

If Gup had made his ground, he shouldn't be out? Anyone got a link? I was always under the impression once you made your ground and took evasive action you were not out. In fact I'm certain.

 

[hendrix]

Gup hadn't made his ground. Neither of them had. They were out, plain and simple.

Jumping is such a weird way to avoid the ball.

 

[Kippax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOzMIWd_zw&t=3m10s

So we can't actually see him to vouch for him completing the first run, but the most likely motivation to leave his ground was to get a metre or two start on any second run.

 

[Energetic]

The ODI series should be really interesting. It will give a clearer picture where both teams are truly at. I'm still not convinced with New Zealand, despite their great success up and till the world cup. Since then, they have fallen a bit and no Vettori, means they have no genuine quality spinner which is a must for any decent International side.

South Africa are also interesting because their tour to Bangladesh was a poor one. I still think they are a top quality one-day side, despite the serious beating they recieved by the rising Bangladeshi's. Interesting to see how the new kid Rabada will do in conditions that should suit pacers, how AB will perform after missing the tour to the Tiger's Den and whether Amla has truly lost his magical touch.