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Blaze

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greg said:
Do first class averages mean anything in New Zealand domestic cricket? What sort of strength is it?
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An average of 50 in NZ conditions is quite unique. Somone correct me if I am wrong but I think there are only a handful of NZ players who have had first class averages of 50. Martin Crowe for one.
 
Jono

Jono

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greg said:
Do first class averages mean anything in New Zealand domestic cricket? What sort of strength is it?
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Just like first class batting averages mean less in India (hopefully that's changing with the change in wickets this season), they mean more in NZ generally.
 
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greg

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Jono said:
Just like first class batting averages mean less in India (hopefully that's changing with the change in wickets this season), they mean more in NZ generally.
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Obviously the pitches aren't great, but what is the standard like? An average of 50 in English third eleven cricket would be good if the pitches were the only criterion, but it obviously wouldn't mark one out as a test cricketer.
 
Jono

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So you mean in reference to pitches + quality of bowlers?

Well I guess the best thing to do would be to look at the general averages of batsmen, and see how far Fulton is ahead of the rest. He seems to be one of the best of the lot, that's saying something. Whether everyone else averages around 30 and he averages 50, or everyone else average around 70 and he averages 90, it doesn't really make that much more of a difference. He's still far above the pack.

I guess some NZers could probably answer in regards to bowler quality and the overall standard of FC cricket.
 
Zinzan

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Jono said:
So you mean in reference to pitches + quality of bowlers?

Well I guess the best thing to do would be to look at the general averages of batsmen, and see how far Fulton is ahead of the rest. He seems to be one of the best of the lot, that's saying something. Whether everyone else averages around 30 and he averages 50, or everyone else average around 70 and he averages 90, it doesn't really make that much more of a difference. He's still far above the pack.

I guess some NZers could probably answer in regards to bowler quality and the overall standard of FC cricket.
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The consistency of good pitches is our biggest problem. Not helped by the fact we play on so many multi-purpose sports ground i.e Eden park and Jade Stadium. having said that the weather and lack of finances in the game also don't help
 
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marc71178

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greg said:
Do first class averages mean anything in New Zealand domestic cricket? What sort of strength is it?
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As far as I'm aware - the standard of pitches isn't the best.
 
James

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It depends where the matches are being played. The Basin Reserve in Wellington and Jade Stadium in Christchurch are excellent batting tracks.

What NZ Cricket have been forced to do in recent seasons is take games to minor venues due to rugby coming more and more into the cricket season which doesn't help at all.

But overall you're right, our pitches in general aren't of the quality they should be, but the weather does play a part in that.
 
luckyeddie

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James said:
But overall you're right, our pitches in general aren't of the quality they should be, but the weather does play a part in that.
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Do you see drop-ins as the way to go for test cricket wickets?
 
James

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luckyeddie said:
Do you see drop-ins as the way to go for test cricket wickets?
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We're already seeing drop in wickets at the major venues, which are only just starting to pay off now in terms of the pitch holding together, etc. We've been using them for about 3/4 years now.

For example, the two tests against Sri Lanka in March were forced to be played at the Basin Reserve and McLean Park in Napier because of the Super 12 (rugby competition) kicking off and having first rights on the likes of Eden Park, Jade Stadium, etc.
 
luckyeddie

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James said:
We're already seeing drop in wickets at the major venues, which are only just starting to pay off now in terms of the pitch holding together, etc. We've been using them for about 3/4 years now.

For example, the two tests against Sri Lanka in March were forced to be played at the Basin Reserve and McLean Park in Napier because of the Super 12 (rugby competition) kicking off and having first rights on the likes of Eden Park, Jade Stadium, etc.
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Was that game when Astle went all ballistic over Jug-Ears played on a drop-in?
 
_Ed_

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NZ batting first, good start for SA with the early wickets of Astle and Vincent. Marshall back in the team is at the crease with Fleming at the moment, hoping for some improvement from him today.
 
social

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For a guy with Vincent's talent and in the form that he obviously is, that was a horrible innings.
 
Toecrusher

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Jono said:
What the hell is going on with Marshall, becoming very serious now.
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He looks to me like he needs a Test match...so that he can take his time, leave the ball, not get pressured into scoring quickly etc, so that he can slowly work his way back into form. Right now, playing one-dayers are just making him go deeper and deeper into a rut, especially as he aint the kind of player who can 'slog his way into form'.
 
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NZ coming back a bit now....still the run rate is low

Hey Im still not quite up with the play on the subs rule, NZ's is Oram who is just a batsman. Could they now sub him for someone yet 2 bat? That could logicaly only be a bowler which would be silly anyway with a total to defend. This is when the subs rule is dumb.,..... its essentially just making the toss more important . as if it wasnt enough already
 
Zinzan

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Fleming out in the unluckiest fashion ...and that IMO that is the series to south africa and is also my bedtime :wacko: Got to say it was a magnificent shot by styris ..I'm surprised it didn't break Kemp's hand on the way through.

Just when NZ looked like they were at least laying a foundation
 
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luckyeddie

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zinzan12 said:
Fleming out in the unluckiest fashion ...and that IMO is the series to south africa as well as my bedtime :wacko: Got to say it was a magnificent shot by styris ..I'm surprised it didn't break Kemp's hand
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I'll watch it for you then, Zinzan.

As you say, a horrible (but funny) way to get out.
 
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